“Mind my language?! How about this language: fuck you!”
At least I hope that’s what the next text was.
“Client wont wait” - lol :)
For some people, they spend their entire lives inside the matrix. Only when they get old, they realize that none of the work they did matters. Unless it was for the good of humanity.
This right here is why I love being a nurse. Every day I go to work it matters
I realised nothing I do really matters a few years ago. Why bother worrying about shit that just doesn’t matter? It was the most enlightening thing I’ve ever realised.
The client will always wait. These hustle addicts forget all the times they had to reschedule to accommodate ((wow 2 c and 2 m? Seems excessive)) others. Life happens and we work around it.
This is exactly it. When I was a bit younger I worked hard. I couldn’t understand why others were not as hardworking as myself. Luckily I learned pretty early on that this is not the way. I was able to travel the world for a bit. After that, I took a leap of faith, quit my job, and just moved. After I quit my job, I started to think about how people would think about the work I did and what I left behind. And I realized, they probably won’t think much about it at all. Some other person will come in and pick up where I left off. They will probably cuss me out because of some of the things I had to do. At the end of it, there is no legacy I will leave behind. No one will care. No one will remember.
These days, I am still pretty good at my job, but I don’t really go above and beyond. So what if you get some award at your company. They don’t mean anything. I go to work. Do my job and that’s it. I try to chill and take it as easy as possible. I get paid to produce a certain amount of output and that is what I give. There are people that will still get rich off of the amount of work that I do, but I don’t care. I have enough to get by in life to where I am content. Luckily, if I am ever in a situation like this post, I can tell them to go fuck themselves and quit.
100% agree with you. I think travelling is maybe key to this realization also. Just seeing other cultures makes us question our own and if its really the best way to live life. :)
Ive had many jobs through life and in the rear view mirror, they just were a way to pay the bills. I dont think about those jobs or the people i worked with at all. It didnt give very meaningful life experiences either. A lot of office work.
I only found that funny when watching reality shows like east coast choppers or something. We need to build this bike for our very busy customer Kid Rock. He needs it in 10 days, because he needs to ride his new bike then. Alright gang, time to work 16 hour days.
Then they keep hammering in how very important it is and he’s not gonna pay if he gets it 2 hours too late. I know it’s all just fake theatrical reality tv, but even as a child i never got the whole urgency they tried to push. All i thought was: so what, lol, fuck them
Yeah, they create urgency in tv shows to make the viewer feel its more exciting. I think another example of this is Hells Kitchen. :)
Also the editing of that show is hilarious. They take out of place facial expressions and put it in scenes where they never happened, to create a viewer experience that is more exciting.
It is entertaining but I wonder how many people dont realize this when watching…
I always wondered how they make shows more than what they are trying to sell. I find it interesting when they suddenly wear different clothing between shots and things like that. I’m rewatching king of queens right now and i find it fascinating how they change things up between episodes, because continuity doesn’t matter (or didn’t back then) and it’s more about having fun. They had a cold opening where Carrie was trying to park her car. They had a top view of the car to see the failed attempts. You could see her or the drivers lavender coloured shirt, same as from the hood perspective. Doug asks her if he should do it from the passenger seat in a flannel shirt. She declines over and over. At the end she finally got in, and you see it from the top view and the driver was wearing the flannel. But in the story it was her. Things like that make me wonder if they had an alternative joke where he did it, or if she wasn’t able to do it irl.
I think most viewers never notice. My girlfriend notices all of this immediately, she should have become a detective. :) I never notice it myself. My brain simply doesnt pick it up… Maybe thats a good thing.
My girlfriend is the same. She just sees the “whole” and misses the details. I notice the details and sometimes miss the “whole”
Yeah. I would say it male and female programming but the Lemmy crowd may jump on me. :p
Man and woman maybe, because of gender roles, but not male and female.
its vertigo important.
Fair enough but I think the good of humanity should be taken broadly. First of all any kind of primary production is basically the base of the pyramid for everything else, if you make art or entertainment thats anything less than 100% cynical in nature you’re contributing a tiny amount to the general wellbeing of a huge number of people. Really anyone that makes or provides anything people enjoy in some way. I’d say it includes basically everyone except the many layers of superfluous management.
If my boss said this to me I would make actionable threats
The moment when you realize you need to find a new job.
We have an office in India and I’ve interacted with them a fair bit and in my experience they’re all come off as lunatics. They seem to take great pleasure in been mindless drones and doing everything by the book, which often results in more work than would have happened if they had engage some in common sense.
Here is an example that you can use to see how they just make their own lives harder
So one of the things we have to do occasionally is security incident reports, if anything happens like there is a data breach or even if just a potential data breach on one of our brazilian servers, it has to be thoroughly investigated and a report written up about it, so far, so good. Most of the report is written by us or our office in the US depending on what server was breached and what exactly happened, but some of the fine detail work is done by the office in India. A lot of what they do is correlate data and write reports, which are then packaged into the whole folder and then sent off to upper management, who probably ignore it to be honest.
We have this whole knowledge base article that tells everybody how to do every part of the job, the problem is it’s awful and out of date so no one reads it anymore. One of the managers in the India office went to look up the report procedure and couldn’t find any mention of the India office, because as I said it’s out of date. They know it’s out of date because the last updated date is sometime around 2018 which was before the India office even opened. So because of this they started to refuse to do the correlating of data, but they didn’t say anything to us, they just stopped doing it. So it rolls around to the day before the report is supposed to go up to management, and we realise that they haven’t sent us anything yet. So we have a meeting where they state that they are no longer going to do this because the knowledge article doesn’t mention them. This results in more meetings to try and work out what the problem is and ultimately the knowledge article gets updated to include them. So now they have 24 hours to do a task that normally takes them a week, and if they don’t do it they’ll be the ones that get in trouble.
And I’m wondering now having read this if most of it was in fact just the manager being a dictator and everyone else not feeling like they’re in a position that lets them argue with him. My manager absolutely would listen to her subordinates but maybe he won’t.
My own experience of being, within a large transnational company, technical lead of a small team based in India for a cross-border software development project, is that their own management structures over there were spectacularly incompetent (and I come from a country - Portugal - were management practices are, IMHO, shit compared to the rest of Europe).
Amongst other things, they still had ancient management practices such as “managers must always earn more than technical personnel” which meant that even a junior manager earned more than a senior developer, in turn directly leading to bright young developers moving to management (were they were invariably shit) within maybe 5 years purelly because it was the only way to earn more money, so as a result the broader team (so, not just my project) there had no good senior developers - it was either “senior” in the sense of lots of years working there rather than senior-level expertise or a handful of junior and mid-level devs who were good at that level and could turn into competente senior techies, but were bound to transition to management as even a junior manager earned more than a senior techie.
Other “funny” things were how nobody there would never, ever, ever admit not to have fully understood something or needing more clarification during an open call about the project next-steps with the rest of the team, so I had to do “special handling” for my remote team of talking to each one individually and carefully tease away their questions with some kind of “it’s on me” excuse, for example, saying that “I want to make sure I explained things correctly and didn’t miss anything important”. Notice that my Indian colleagues who were not based in India but rather sat with the rest in London, did not have that peculiar behaviour.
Unsurprisingly, that outsourced team which existed as part of an outsourcing division the senior management of the company had decided to set up in India to cut development costs, didn’t actually add significant value because of the overhead of dealing with them and the need to check and correct their work, mean that the vastly more senior - and costly, as half of us were contractors - team in London (of which I was part) ended up losing almost as much time dealing with them and the side-effects of the low quality of their work as was gained from having that India-based team doing part of the development work.
Guess i will do MBA then lol.
“Be underworked and overpaid”Other “funny” things were how nobody there would never, ever, ever admit not to have fully understood something or needing more clarification during an open call about the project next-steps with the rest of the team
I fucking hate it when people do that at work.
I have a coworker who is from India, and he’s a great guy, but this describes him pretty well:
They seem to take great pleasure in been mindless drones and doing everything by the book, which often results in more work than would have happened if they had engage some in common sense.
It doesn’t help that his supervisor is pretty new himself. Sometimes he asks me for advice, or how to do something, and it feels like I’m deprogramming him or something… I think he’s slowly getting there, but you can tell that, “yes, that is technically what it says, but this is how we actually do it…” just breaks his brain sometimes lol
I honestly wonder if they have someone that comes through and regularly beats them with the employee handbook or something.
We have a couple offshore guys who are decent most of the time, but every once in a while they will suddenly forget how to do anything that isn’t explicitly written down and will try to escalate to on call stupid shit they know how to do. And when that happens, my team starts beating up on them because they know what to do, they’re just choosing not to do it.
Happening a lot less now that I’ve documented most things, but periodically they try to play dumb and we have to do this song and dance again.
I’m glad you got that off your chest; it’s a fun story.
I don’t really see the correlation between doing the work and the India office being mentioned. Was it like “the US office does this, Brazilian office does that” and since India wasn’t mentioned they thought you were handing off extra work to them that you were supposed to do?
Most meetings are vertigo important
What a psycho.
With people like Modi and Bulldozer Baba in charge, India’s economic future is bleak regardless of how much you agree to be whipped.
Unfortunately being good / not authoritarian and economic outlook do not go hand in hand.
India has been the fastest growing major economy since it started aligning with the West and embraced the Western capitalist mantra.
Even with profound income inequality, the living standard for the average person in urban India is completely different from 10 years ago.
I doubt that rate of growth changes anytime soon with or without Modi.
The Berlin Global Dialogue was a few weeks ago. The CEOs of Airbus and BMW were gushing over entrepreneurial spirit in India and India’s demographic dividend (having more young than old people) which nearly guarantees economic growth over the next 10-20 years.
Economists globally have estimated India will be a high income nation by the late 2040s on its current growth trajectory.
First of all, yes it does go hand in hand. The fall of the old monarchy and the fight against colonization led to their growth as an independent nation. The abolishing of the caste system has decreased the widespread inequality.
Second, they’ve barely aligned with the west at all. One of the regions of India is the largest and most successful democratic socialism/communist to ever exist, since the USSR and CCP were both autocracies.
Which region are you referring to and how are you defining success?
America has had a race based caste system for most of its history. It arguably still does today according to Pulitzer prize winning author Isabel Wilkerson (in reference to her book Caste: The Origins of our Discontents)
None of this stopped it from becoming the wealthiest nation on earth. It became the wealthiest nation on earth before it let black people use the same bathroom facilities as whites, before it let women acquire their own credit, even before outlawing marital rape.
Authoritarianism / subjugation of disenfranchised groups is not mutually exclusive to wealth, even shared wealth.
Saudi Arabia remains a monarchy to this day and is wealthy because 1) America had no issue with a monarchy holding power if it meant access to oil and 2) America spent decades helping extract and then purchasing that oil. You’ll see that social progress / lack of authoritarianism were not a part of the equation there.
Saudi Arabia is the poster child of inequality and is regularly hostile to world powers, only maintaining independence by playing both sides an in infinite proxy war between eastern dictatorships and the free world.
So we consider India’s growth a success even when we know it’s being built on the backs of the underpaid? Like, if they were actually feeding people into a concrete mix to build walls and roads, it’s the only way India’s growth can be more strongly tied to abuse of the working class.
If their success is by all but eating their own, can we call that a success? Can we call that growth without drawing parallels to rising humanitarian debt like a gambler’s bank account? They’re spending the lives of their workers the way Ai companies spend investment money, with no escape function to get out of the loop.
Did not the two wealthiest and most powerful nations on Earth today have the same trajectory?
Workers rights weren’t exactly pretty in the US in the early 1900s and we’ve witnessed the human cost of China’s development in our lifetimes.
The way I see it you have two (simplified) options. You can try to to go slow and do it a bit more perfectly or go fast and get there sooner.
India tried to go slow. It spent 40 years post independence being isolationist and quasisocialist. What did it get for that?
The Western capitalist/neoliberal world order didn’t see value in it so what India got was what was later termed by Indian economist Raj Krishna as the “Hindu rate of growth” ie. 4% GDP growth annually (underperformance for an emerging market).
India has since embraced the neoliberal world order which makes it a friend of Western nations economically. This means it’s now growing at a rate of 6 to 8% annually and on track to be a high income nation in 20-25 years. Millions have been pulled out of poverty and millions more will be still.
Do I like neoliberalism? Of course not. But the richest nations on earth make the rules and they’ve made it very clear that you can either play by them and have some of their wealth make it to you sooner or reject their framework and die in poverty and squalor.
Do I think this is an ideal situation? No its not. In an ideal world India could provide advanced economy level worker protections and still grow at the same rate. The problem is the richest nations on earth see India’s monetary value as its young, more affordable workforce. If India refused to bring that to the table, the timeline on which it would achieve becoming a high income nation would extend substantially.
There are other nations where people aren’t treated like chattel
Doubt they are of the size and diversity of India which makes things far from simple. Exaggeration aside, people are not chattel in India.
If you’re referring to the four Asian tigers:
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Two received substantial aid from the US post WW2.
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More predictable terrain and abundant coastline (relative to size) make an export based model (selling goods to the West) more feasible.
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Small population size and less linguistic variability makes central planning (when it comes to education and skills building) more effective on a shorter time scale.
Ultimately India’s economic growth post WW2 was harmed most by
- Remaining non-aligned post WW2 which pushed the US to side with Pakistan as their key ally in South Asia. It’s understandable since Western powers were a scourge upon India for the 300 years prior but America was not colonial Britian, Netherlands, Portugal etc. (though that’s easy to say in hindsight).
- Adopting a dirigisme economic model which contrasts with laissez faire policies, leaning in favor of market intervention and prioritizing import substitution industrialization which is an isolationist policy that seeks to reduce global reliance (in what was an ever globalizing world). This was largely also a reflexive response to colonialism as “trade” with colonial powers decimated and deindustrialized the Indian economy which accounted for 25% of global GDP prior to the colonial era.
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Piss off. Some things are more important than economic growth of 1%, like family and friends.
It’s not like India has a particularly good economic outlook anyway so I’m not even sure what this guy’s on about.
It’s not like India has a particularly good economic outlook anyway
By which metrics?
Well if the economic outlook is bad, everyone is strung out and desperate to keep their jobs, so they do things that would normally be considered insane just to keep that stupid check rolling in.
The ones on top still win and are taken care of.
Seems like megacorp end goals for most nations and peoples, to be honest.
Why not blame it on the little guy, asking for a leave for family funeral? In India, businesses have terrible fundamentals. Most IT companies rely on clients from the West. Most Unicorn startups, cannot seem to sustain growth or are plain duds. Manufacturing sucks ass. Government is corrupt af. Research is unimaginative. That’s just the richest 10%. Poorest 90% survive on very little like 50 usd a month little.
I would have held it together for a while, but that condescending “mind your language” would set me OFF
To literally the politest version of that reply, as well. Not “mind your language”, you mean “stop making me feel like the bad guy”
Sounds par for the course for Indian work-life balance, from what I’ve heard
2 jobs ago, the business partner for the company I was working at basically outsourced all of their programming work to india. Not a single person in the US on their team knew how either their code or our machine worked.
Anyway, I remember quite a few timesnhearong the work schedule these people had. Theu had one dude who regularly was up until like 5 in the god damn morning so that they could have someone testing their code with our machine.
We need a law that people that treat their employees like this are just forever barred from owning money. Literally. They’re legally not allowed to receive or own currency in any form. Make these people go back to barter.
Now introducing cryptocommodities, totally not a currency at all.
In the satirical Paranoia tabletop RPG, there are Experience Points. This is a post-monetary society where nobody has a job, so you don’t earn “Money” by “working”, you earn voluntary Experience Points by doing your mandatory voluntary assignments which you can then exchange for goods and (voluntary) services.
That sounds like something a communist would say. Are you a communist, friend citizen?
Of course not, friend computer, communism is illegal!
I was initially surprised thst the stablecoin boom didn’t seem to involve more commodity or currency-basket pegged tokens.
But they aren’t in it for that, it’s a shiny digital way to go back to pre-1860s protocols where a paper dollar was made up by some dubious piggie and you had to know that it was really worth about 35 cents in government silver coin based on how hard it was to exchange, and insiders could make out like bandits via arbitrage and printing junk that they could pump and dump.
IMHO the only really necessary and useful stablecoin is DAI. Instead of being issued by some dubious piggie, the peg is maintained by a smart contract. DAI gets far less publicity than Tether for this reason.
It really goes to show what percentage of crypto bros care about decentralization whatsoever. Tether has a market cap of $184B and is the #3 “cryptocurrency” as of this writing. The dump hasn’t even happened yet!
India is still a caste state.
I know you’re trying to compare this to caste, but India is also literally still a casteist country.
America was explicitly a racial caste state until the Civil Rights Act passed in 1964.
India similarly outlawed caste discrimination in article 17 of it’s constitution at its inception.
Of course laws cannot change centuries old social customs overnight. Which is why the US employs DEI to help equalize opportunity and India has gone as far as to implement quotas for the historically disenfranchised in the public sector.
Never forget that your job is simply a means to an end and that end is for you to do the things you want to do in life.
Whether it’s just that we have to spend so much time working to do those things is another discussion
there are people who really enjoy their job and find meaning in it so no, it’s not “simply a means to an end”.
Did…did she just admit that the system is basically slavery?
yeah, but it wasn’t a parent, so it’s fine :)
