• lemmy_outta_here@lemmy.world
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    5 days ago

    If you think he gives a fuck about any of this, the only thing he’s interested in is his own businesses and his own profits, he couldn’t care less

    Thanks for this lovely, factory-perfect definition of evil. You really nailed it.

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      4 days ago

      Equivocating selfishness with evil only serves to dilute the word “evil” into meaninglessness.

      Most people understand that “evil” requires malicious intent to harm others. Mere selfishness does not qualify.

      Or do you believe a child who refuses to share their toys is “evil”, too?

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        4 days ago

        Hard disagree. Selfishness without regard for others is a perfect encapsulation of real-world evil, and the form of evil that does the most harm in the world. You can choose your narrow definition if you want, but i suggest it is a useless definition; more harm is caused by greed than sadism.

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      5 days ago

      Thanks for leaving out the most important part.

      Point to someone with money and power right now which isn’t trying to game the system in their own way, from anywhere on the political spectrum.

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          This is not a movie, this is not a fairy tail, we’re talking about humans just like you, there is no good and evil, there is only incentives, if you’re put in a situation where that’s the incentive, you will do the same and you will justify it in your own way. Get out of your stupid Disney bubble, I will repeat, we are talking humans, JUST LIKE YOU, you also do things which you justify to yourself, which other people see as “immoral”, snap out of this extremely polarized thinking, you’re only making the situation worse.

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              5 days ago

              No and do I need to use Grok, so that I would want to argue? When there’s nothing you can add, the only thing you’re left with “heh, I’ll troll this person, ain’t I clever”.

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        You’re just begging to miss the point my guy.

        Yes, billionaires bad. Generally billionaires are pretty awful people. Not all billionaires would gleefully throw children in to the Torment Nexus. Musk would go out of his way to be the first to build it.

        Dude’s evil. Hope your Tesla makes it through the winter tho.

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          Musk would go out of his way to be the first to build it.

          He is far from the first: https://www.wired.com/story/openai-child-safety-reports-ncmec/

          It’s a big problem overall worldwide, has been for a while, which needs to be stopped and he should absolutely be prosecuted, even though he probably won’t because apparently powerful and wealthy people aren’t prosecuted.

          Hope your Tesla makes it through the winter tho.

          This is the whole problem. When somebody tries to argue, you put them “on the other team”. You immediately put me in a box inside your head and you think you already know who I am.

          my guy

          Also I love how you just assume I’m a guy.

          My fear is, after the whole MAGA thing dies, a new radicalized movement will start, just this time from the other end and this pendulum will keep swinging back and forth until we destroy everything. This isn’t just in the USA, Europe is also getting more and more radicalized in the same way, it almost feels like they’re copying each other. Musk has even invested in the AfD in Germany, which also influences the FPÖ in Austria, which is basically the same party, both nazi. Now here’s when the real trouble starts, once a new real complete opposite of those starts and gains followers, it will only feed the nazi parties more and we’ll be in real trouble. Imagine 2 opposite groups, completely unreasonable, becoming bigger, both using exploits as much as possible, because that’s the only way to win over the other. That’s a recipe for disaster and that’s exactly what’s happening right now, also proven by your own replies to me trying to argue the very basic thing that the world is way more complicated than “good vs evil”.

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              5 days ago

              or trolling.

              Obviously you’re not even reading what I’m writing, how am I the troll in this situation?

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                Because you’re absolutely refusing to engage with any discussion relevant to the point, bringing up random bits of trivia to illustrate some nebulous point that seems to change at random.

                We’re claiming that Elon Musk is evil. You seem to think that because other evil things exist he must not be? Or that it’s ok?

                I’m engaging with the only bits of the comment relevant to the actual discussion and ignoring your obvious distraction wall of text. Which is a common trolling tactic.

                Or copium to deal with the rapidly depreciating Tesla in your drive.