Keep pretending that the Democrats lost the election because of a conspiracy of online users further to the left of you, and not because they ran a botched campaign with an unelectable candidate.
it’s very simple. the US is rampantly, unabashedly sexist. patriarchally sexist and racist, even huge chunks of the left. i hate it. i’ve fought my entire adult life to change it. but that doesn’t make it untrue. and we needed to win to stop waves hands frantically in the air all of this so we could keep making progress against the sexism and racism.
don’t get me wrong, i voted for her and i’d do it again.
she may have been the correct choice for feminism and anti-racism. i wanted her to win, to prove that America was “better than that”. but i knew it wasn’t. she was not the correct choice for a winning campaign. not here, unfortunately. not yet. and now all that progress toward fixing those things is now stomped in the mud by the Dems making a bad bet.
but also, she’s a police bootlicker and even i, a staunch believer that Trump is actively destroying the entire world, didn’t like that.
I can only speak from my experience, but my mom voted Trump, Biden, Trump.
She voted for first Trump because her church told her you can’t vote for Clinton because she’s not a Christian, and she’s always been apprehensive of Women in leadership.
She voted Biden because Trump’s actions clearly showed he wasn’t Christian.
She would have voted for Biden again. She struggled whether Trump or Harris were lesser evil. Too many Harris ads taking about reproductive rights she just couldn’t force herself to vote Harris.
Your mom sounds like a weak person, unable to think for herself, and who betrayed her own gender.
Honestly, I’d be too embarrassed to comment on her, if she was my mom…
the last three presidential elections seem to form a strong message: america is a nation of misogyny. hillary? unelectable. joe? record turnout. kamala? unelectable. their politics? nearly identical.
obviously there’s more factors. personally i voted for Elizabeth Warren in 2020 and thought joe biden was the very worst candidate in the 2020 primaries. but the thing to understand about republican voters is that their engagement is that of a sports team (and there are democratic sports team voters). they will show up everytime to vote for their guy even if they hate him. the democrats have to counter this as an entire coalition. the candidates need to inspire turnout, and the voters have to turnout, otherwise the ratchet effect will continue forever
It was mostly different elements of the Left, not really “Bernie Bros”. Bernie himself was out there campaigning for Biden and Harris the entire time. I think we need a better name for the Left factions who supported Trump in the election, misidentifying them is only going to create more divisiveness. Those “Bernie Bros” who listened to Bernie during the campaign and did what they could to stop Republicans don’t deserve to be lumped in with the dumbasses who actually helped them win.
the republican candidate in 2016, 2020, and 2024 got the same number of votes just about every single time. the democrat candidate received nearly equal votes in 2016 and 2024. people were willing to turnout in mass numbers in 2020 to keep trump out of office in 2020 but not in 2024.
while i agree Kamala Harris could have gotten more votes shifting left, i also can’t help but be frustrated about those ~10 million voters who were willing to vote for Joe Biden in 2020 but not Kamala Harris in 2024. what most leftist groups were advocating for was to vote for Harris and then commit the energy we were going to have to commit organizing to protest Trump protesting Kamala.
the thing is we saw big protests during the 46th presidency. the motivation was there. but now it’s harder to coagulate and maintain those movements with ICE and Homeland security going full gestapo as opposed to before when they were 80% gestapo.
the big thing though is we’re here now. i’d rather not relitigate the past, just maintain a critical analysis of it so future generations don’t repeat it. what’s more important is making sure there’s a world for future generations to inherit.
if you think that’s all she did you weren’t paying attention. not that there’s anything wrong with that given your .uk home server, but this is a gross oversimplification that ignores both how much campaigning she did, and how much the specifics of her campaign eroded the positive momentum she had when biden dropped out
Have you actually had your eyes open for the last 10 years?
FFS a convicted rapist and 32 time fraudster, probable pedophile, who’s using the office of POTUS to enrich himself and his awful family? A man whose negligence and mismanagement in his first term lost over a million extra lives to Covid. A man who betrayed all undercover CIA assets to Russia. A man who betrayed long time allies, the Kurds, to a genocide by Turkey. Who betrayed all the Afghans who helped America, to the Taliban. A man who is bombing small boats in the Caribbean, and double tapping any survivors. A man who is selling out Ukraine to please his owner, Putin, and of course for his own personal profit, and who has already done the same to the Palestinians… A man who is disappearing American citizens, and other LEGAL visitors off the streets, to third world prisons… Even though he “won” ( and I believe Elmo committed some fraud to help him win a second term…), by every metric and standard that exists outside of tRump America, the man is unelectable. I don’t even think he’s human, tbh…he’s some sort of lizard creature with no normal human qualities.
The fact that you even ask such a question tells me all I need to know about YOU, magat !
You can make the list as big as you want. Trump is a pedophile and a fascist, and I’m a European communist who hates his fucking guts. But the measure of electability is NOT being a good, moral person, it’s winning elections. I also hate Obama for his warcrimes, but he was electable as fuck.
Because she was only fine, and humans are illogical idiots who need to be externally motivated to act in their own self interest.
I know I sound jaded, but it’s beyond stupid that he won. A vote for a literal corpse would’ve made more logical sense for anyone who isn’t far right wing. But fuck critical thinking, I guess.
How the FUCK was Harris an “unelectable candidate”?
She lost the election, have you heard of that?
You are saying, right here and now, that Harris was worse than Trump
No, I’m saying she was less electable. She decided to run a campaign of satisfying her Zionist overlords instead of gaining popular vote, she got the results she wanted. The Democrats would rather lose the elections than present an antizionist candidate
Keep pretending that the Democrats lost the election because of a conspiracy of online users further to the left of you, and not because they ran a botched campaign with an unelectable candidate.
there can be two things
I would love to know why Biden was electable but Harris was not.
Care to explain?
it’s very simple. the US is rampantly, unabashedly sexist. patriarchally sexist and racist, even huge chunks of the left. i hate it. i’ve fought my entire adult life to change it. but that doesn’t make it untrue. and we needed to win to stop waves hands frantically in the air all of this so we could keep making progress against the sexism and racism.
don’t get me wrong, i voted for her and i’d do it again.
she may have been the correct choice for feminism and anti-racism. i wanted her to win, to prove that America was “better than that”. but i knew it wasn’t. she was not the correct choice for a winning campaign. not here, unfortunately. not yet. and now all that progress toward fixing those things is now stomped in the mud by the Dems making a bad bet.
but also, she’s a police bootlicker and even i, a staunch believer that Trump is actively destroying the entire world, didn’t like that.
https://blueprint.ucla.edu/feature/kamala-harris-california-top-cop/ https://capitalbnews.org/kamala-harris-criminal-justice-record/ https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/kamala-harris-has-finally-embraced-being-a-cop.html https://www.americanprogressaction.org/article/harris-has-long-supported-both-law-enforcement-and-community-collaborations-that-keep-people-safe/
I can only speak from my experience, but my mom voted Trump, Biden, Trump.
She voted for first Trump because her church told her you can’t vote for Clinton because she’s not a Christian, and she’s always been apprehensive of Women in leadership.
She voted Biden because Trump’s actions clearly showed he wasn’t Christian.
She would have voted for Biden again. She struggled whether Trump or Harris were lesser evil. Too many Harris ads taking about reproductive rights she just couldn’t force herself to vote Harris.
Your mom sounds like a weak person, unable to think for herself, and who betrayed her own gender. Honestly, I’d be too embarrassed to comment on her, if she was my mom…
I’m sure with furrowed brow they would respond in a caveman like tone “Biden man, Harris girl. Girl bad, man goooood.”
the last three presidential elections seem to form a strong message: america is a nation of misogyny. hillary? unelectable. joe? record turnout. kamala? unelectable. their politics? nearly identical.
obviously there’s more factors. personally i voted for Elizabeth Warren in 2020 and thought joe biden was the very worst candidate in the 2020 primaries. but the thing to understand about republican voters is that their engagement is that of a sports team (and there are democratic sports team voters). they will show up everytime to vote for their guy even if they hate him. the democrats have to counter this as an entire coalition. the candidates need to inspire turnout, and the voters have to turnout, otherwise the ratchet effect will continue forever
Ok, now quantify how many terminally online young leftists who didn’t vote dem there are in the USA
Keep pretending like “Abandon Harris” and shit like that wasn’t pushed relentlessly offline by “Bernie Bro” idiots.
It was mostly different elements of the Left, not really “Bernie Bros”. Bernie himself was out there campaigning for Biden and Harris the entire time. I think we need a better name for the Left factions who supported Trump in the election, misidentifying them is only going to create more divisiveness. Those “Bernie Bros” who listened to Bernie during the campaign and did what they could to stop Republicans don’t deserve to be lumped in with the dumbasses who actually helped them win.
I desperately wanted Kamala to win but goddammit I agree with you.
the republican candidate in 2016, 2020, and 2024 got the same number of votes just about every single time. the democrat candidate received nearly equal votes in 2016 and 2024. people were willing to turnout in mass numbers in 2020 to keep trump out of office in 2020 but not in 2024.
while i agree Kamala Harris could have gotten more votes shifting left, i also can’t help but be frustrated about those ~10 million voters who were willing to vote for Joe Biden in 2020 but not Kamala Harris in 2024. what most leftist groups were advocating for was to vote for Harris and then commit the energy we were going to have to commit organizing to protest Trump protesting Kamala.
the thing is we saw big protests during the 46th presidency. the motivation was there. but now it’s harder to coagulate and maintain those movements with ICE and Homeland security going full gestapo as opposed to before when they were 80% gestapo.
the big thing though is we’re here now. i’d rather not relitigate the past, just maintain a critical analysis of it so future generations don’t repeat it. what’s more important is making sure there’s a world for future generations to inherit.
Biden campaigned. Harris did, what, one longform interview? She really thought that was all she needed to sail away with the thing. The arrogance.
if you think that’s all she did you weren’t paying attention. not that there’s anything wrong with that given your .uk home server, but this is a gross oversimplification that ignores both how much campaigning she did, and how much the specifics of her campaign eroded the positive momentum she had when biden dropped out
An “unelectable candidate” is not an obstacle. I mean, look at what the GOP ran…!
Trump won the maximum number of elections winnable in the USA, what makes him unelectable?
Have you actually had your eyes open for the last 10 years?
FFS a convicted rapist and 32 time fraudster, probable pedophile, who’s using the office of POTUS to enrich himself and his awful family? A man whose negligence and mismanagement in his first term lost over a million extra lives to Covid. A man who betrayed all undercover CIA assets to Russia. A man who betrayed long time allies, the Kurds, to a genocide by Turkey. Who betrayed all the Afghans who helped America, to the Taliban. A man who is bombing small boats in the Caribbean, and double tapping any survivors. A man who is selling out Ukraine to please his owner, Putin, and of course for his own personal profit, and who has already done the same to the Palestinians… A man who is disappearing American citizens, and other LEGAL visitors off the streets, to third world prisons… Even though he “won” ( and I believe Elmo committed some fraud to help him win a second term…), by every metric and standard that exists outside of tRump America, the man is unelectable. I don’t even think he’s human, tbh…he’s some sort of lizard creature with no normal human qualities. The fact that you even ask such a question tells me all I need to know about YOU, magat !
You can make the list as big as you want. Trump is a pedophile and a fascist, and I’m a European communist who hates his fucking guts. But the measure of electability is NOT being a good, moral person, it’s winning elections. I also hate Obama for his warcrimes, but he was electable as fuck.
It’s a FPTP system. She literally just had to be not worse than Trump. She was fine.
trump’s base was excited. hers was alienated.
centrists think that that “marginally better than trump. sometimes. if we have to.” is sufficient to win. It’s not.
Fix your shit and you’ll win.
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Lie to someone else.
If she was fine, why did she lose the elections TO TRUMP
Have you seen the first row of inaguration?
Was it full of terminally online lefties?
Because she was only fine, and humans are illogical idiots who need to be externally motivated to act in their own self interest.
I know I sound jaded, but it’s beyond stupid that he won. A vote for a literal corpse would’ve made more logical sense for anyone who isn’t far right wing. But fuck critical thinking, I guess.
Wow the Harris campaign strategist has entered the chat.
FPTP: obvious on the internet, unknowable to candidates
How the FUCK was Harris an “unelectable candidate”?
Keep pretending that your “both sides” bullshit was 1.) limited to the internet and 2.) didn’t have a massive impact on lowering voter participation.
You’re STILL FUCKING DOING IT, DUMBASS. You are saying, right here and now, that Harris was worse than Trump. HOW? For ONCE, fucking explain yourself.
She lost the election, have you heard of that?
No, I’m saying she was less electable. She decided to run a campaign of satisfying her Zionist overlords instead of gaining popular vote, she got the results she wanted. The Democrats would rather lose the elections than present an antizionist candidate