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I can barely even understand how anyone could think PBS is propaganda.
None of these chuds have ever watched a minute of PBS in their adult lives.
Its a mistake to believe that this is an irrational or ignorant decision. These guys KNOW what the message of PBS is and there is a reason they don’t want it to get to kids. They are making child soldiers and they don’t want people giving them inconvenient values.
You guys are telling jokes while the other side is building an army. Maybe start taking this shit seriously.
100%. American liberals really do think this is just more of the same old Bush-era GOP misbehavior and are responding to it as such.
The thing is, if you’re an American and you know how hard it is to simply vote out fascism, and if you understand how close America’s empire is to the brink of disaster, you’re either running or, lacking the means, mentally preparing yourself for a struggle to survive.
I pulled up stakes and left, but I still have to keep my sense of humour to stay sane.
BIG lol at anyone who thinks voting is the way to fix this.
Yeah, alright. Big lol at anyone who thinks knowing history magically makes you safe, while we’re at it.
lol. Everyone knows the only way to fix this is to troll liberals on Lemmy. lol.
Yep. Yeah. Yes.
It’s over.
It’s really easy! If you imagine that a black person and a white person could never be friends or spend positive time together, and then you saw a show that had them together, you might conclude the show is trying to convince you something is okay that you know is not. Propaganda.
If you imagine that a gay person is inherently wrong, and that bad things deserve to happen to them as punishment for their choices, and then you watch a show where a gay person is happy and normal and respected, you might conclude the show is trying to push an idea on you that you already know isn’t right. Propaganda.
It’s sad, and dangerous, but it’s not complicated.
Thank you so much for commenting this. It’s so annoying to see both the original screenshot and so many exchanges in here either playing dumb or actually being dumb about WHY they see PBS as propaganda. As always, people are more interested in appearing to preach epic gotcha wins to their own choir, while totally sweeping the real meaning of their opponent’s statement under the rug. It’s not being nice and learning to read that the right takes issue with PBS over, it’s race, gender, and sexuality issues. But rather than respond to them on that more difficult ground, the masses choose to go for pointless low hanging fruit like “lol so you hate kindness???”, and then congratulate the OP for owning the right, meanwhile the right is totally unphased by that completely off-topic mark-missing response. And then we wonder why the right sees us as a bunch of circlejerky bubble-world morons.
Tolerance for others and their inherent traits is basic kindness. So yes, if you are not OK with black/queer people than you hate kindness.
And then we wonder why the right sees us as a bunch of circlejerky bubble-world morons.
Modern western “right wing” are outright fascists. We should not concern ourselves with what they think of us, except if it helps us fight their ideology. You won’t be able to convince them with logical arguments of any quality, because they hold their position not because of logic but because of repeated propaganda that leverages the inherent human fear of unknown and different.
The most realistic way I see of things changing is as follows:
Capitalism will inevitably squeeze those people harder and harder, until they can’t afford groceries and rent, despite millions of immigrants being deported and woke TV programs being banned. At that point they might question their ideology and yearn for change, and the left needs to be ready. If the western left once again squanders its potential and do-nothing neolibs (a-la Biden or Harris) get back in office, you can kiss your civil rights goodbye, because they won’t fix the fundamental issues with the system and the voters will swing to fascists again the next cycle.
What needs to happen is that at least demsocs like Mamdani getting into offices all over the country. If that happens, they might at least do something to fight against capitalism and unlimited extraction of surplus labor, and improve material conditions for people, at least a little bit. If that happens under left’s watch, people will associate the ideology with good material conditions, and will appreciate its other tenets (human rights, equality, tolerance, inclusion) more. Whether this leads to vaguely left-wing rule for a while, a-la FDR, or an actual outright revolution is of course questionable, but it’s the only way forward for the US IMHO.
Y’all need to make a third party that represents the left, because Democrats never will.
Start with local elections and build your rep, you need a genuine left leaning pressure on the politics of your nation - showing that people will show up to vote for real left leaning values is the way.
The DSA should become a party of their own right.
We’ve had third parties of various types for centuries, it has become a financial impossibility for third parties to succeed in modern America.
With Citizens United and hundreds of new billionaires, I think it’s possible.
I completely understand your argument and I agree, but I would also say that acceptance of other races, sexualities, nationalities, etc is , at its core, just kindness, and that MAGA generally dislikes kindness toward anyone who isn’t cis, white, and American, or a token minority who agrees with their policies. That’s kind of one of the main problems with MAGA.
They don’t even like kindness for themselves. They like rigid obedience. The instant anyone steps out of line they get beaten into submission or disowned.
Very well put
If you imagine a channel that endorses genocide… Oh wait no need to imagine.
I must have missed that episode of Sesame Street. Could you link to it?
Reality has a well known Liberal bias.
which type of liberal? north American or RoTW?
this is a stephen colbert joke from his colbert report era. he was portraying a right wing media troll, so in this case, liberal means liberal the way rush limbaugh, sean hannity, tucker carlson, ben shapiro, or nick fuentes means liberal. it’s anyone who thinks living in an oligarchy is a bad thing
Nah. Reality has no preference for a capitalist hegemonic ideology.
It’s just a reference to Colbert talking at the White House Correspondents dinner in '06 lampooning how conservatives seem to constantly have beef with objective reality. Calm down kid.
I can barely even understand how anyone could think PBS is propaganda.
Propaganda, that’s how.
The Reich wing is infuriatingly effective at using projection as both a defensive measure and an assault.
I have an uncle who thinks anything to the left of NewsMax or OAN is “too liberal” (yes that includes Fox News). The indoctrination is real
Cool, and your uncle has a nephew who thinks PBS is not propaganda. Apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.
Or maybe they did. Seaseme Street might go over the heads of maga voters. And Mr Rodgers messages of inclusion and empathy are far out of their mental grasp.
It’s Arkansas, what did you expect?
Maybe if PBS ran a show on how to hook up with your cousin?
That’s how we got into this mess to begin with.
“Think”
Arkansas
Heh.
If it’s not their propaganda they think it is the other way… instead of ya know… just facts or basic learning.
Most people are idiots and the bell curve isn’t as wide as you’d like to think.
And there’s always the George Carlin perspective:
Think of how stupid the average person you meet is.
Now, realize that half the population is dumber than that.
To give some uh, anchoring to this…
The average American adult… a d u l t …
Is currently as literate as a 5th to 6th grader.
In conclusion; Yes, it is objectively correct to state and believe that most people are idiots, at least if we’re talking about the US.
… and Arkansas… is pretty damned close to winning the idiot contest.
“Powerful stupid”, you might say.
Well, technically, anything that spreads a message or ideal is propaganda. If you think something isn’t propaganda, it’s because you already agree with the message.
It’s just that in this case the message is “Be kind. Science is cool” and only a christofascist would think that is a bad thing to spread.
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TBH their support of genocide is far from kind or cool.
How many children upvote this nonsense?
PBS is literally overt propaganda. The amazing thing is how people don’t see it. We’re so immersed in the hegemonic narrative, the droning voice of the state that we can’t recognize the obvious overwhelming bias.
The most glaring recent example is their complete endorsement of the genocide in Palestine. But that’s just the tip of the iceberg.
When did PBS endorce the genocide?
How many times you gonna link that same Wikipedia article in this one thread lmao.
Someone didn’t watch enough Sesame Street as a child xD
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omfg 🤣🤣 yes. I think you cracked the code lmao!
Ah yes the hegemonic narrative of… the scientific method. The droning voice of…kindness.
What a hellscape.
where and when did they overtly endorse genocide in Palestine? their newshour coverage of national events has been more critical than the other national outlets and is literally cited as one of the main reasons elon and trump wanted to defund pbs
That book should be the US constitution.
It looks like it is.
Yeah, I would love to see an eagle tear up that enslaver pact.
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That’s fucked up. Funny. But also kinda… “idk you like that”. Gay
PBS isn’t perfect, but it’s publicly accountable and transparent—more than most for-profit networks.
The exact reason it has to go. Too much oversight, not enough pandering and way way too much science.
The people who legitimately believe this are space aliens in skinsuits.
No, they’re fascists wearing a giant neon sign that says:
⭐✨FASCIST✨⭐
Look its the same thing. The good space aliens don’t wear human skin suits.
If I had to slap down some amount of cash I’ll never be able to save to bet on which state would do this shit, it would have been Arkansas. No redeemable qualities in that state. Literal shithole. 50/50 ranking in US, etc etc.
Hey… That’s unfair.
Don’t forget Oklahoma and Missouri (best pronounced misery).
Meanwhile, Abbott is forcing Turning Point to be in Texas schools in order to groom the next generation of child raping MAGAfreaks
They’re not even afraid to be hypocrites anymore. Someone needs to turn the lights on and make the cockroaches scatter.
So, Mr Rogers, Sesame Street, Nova… were all propaganda?
The letter of the day is F, for Fake Fucking News.
Nova
I know plenty of people who think saying the earth is >10,000 years old is propaganda.
There was a Nova episode in the 1970s that was dedicated to a crazy rich guy’s hare-brained scheme to mine minerals off of the sea floor.
Then, about thirty years later another Nova episode revealed that the mining scheme from the earlier episode was a CIA cover story to cover up for a top secret claw game operation to lift a sunken Soviet submarine off of the sea floor.
So I guess the first one was fake news.
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Ah yes Arkansas, the beacon of education. Happy to keep their citizens illiterate and ignorant.
Like Mississippi, Alabama, Missouri, Kentucky…
At some point it’s pretty much the whole country. That’s a sad display right there.
No, it’s really just the shit hole confederate states that take more in federal funding than they provide in taxes, and also have the worst education/literacy rates, and highest poverty rates.
Arkansas ranks 45 out of 51 states in education.
So, let’s say the kid gets up at 6am. PBS listings:
- 6:00 – Pinkalicious and Peterriffic: Gingerbread House; Christmas Tree Trouble: “Pinkalicious” and Peter build a gingerbread house that attracts Sarafina, a holiday fairy
- 6:30 – Curious George: George Digs Worms; Everything Old Is New Again: George’s entry into the world of worm racing faces a giant hurdle when Mr Quint picks up the wrong lunch box; George learns about recycling, and sets out to recycle everything he possibly can.
- 7:00 – Sesame Street: Elmo’s Morning Routine: Elmo and Abby help Crystal the Ball invent a morning routine.
- 7:30 – Milo: Milo the Decorator: Otto is needed elsewhere, so Milo and pals set to work painting Dame Delores’s ballroom.
- 8:00 – Work it Out Wombats: Zadie’s Horrible Haircut; Zadie’s Horrible Haircut; A Day Out With Babby: SUPER anxious about going to the barber, Zadie decides to cut her own hair. To fix this disaster, Zadie needs to face her fear of getting a haircut. When it comes to playdates, Malik discovers that smart devices have their limitations.
Golly such offensive content. The kids might actually learn something on Sesame Street!
All I see is pure unadulterated brainwashing sir. Now if you’ll please leave us all alone we’d like to continue watching Fox.
You’d think that Fox News would at least be trying to take advantage of this by rolling out something like “Fox News Jr.” with angry propaganda for 8 year-olds. But, I guess they’re just happy to see kids forced to watch any for-profit TV channel.
My guess is it’d be some sort of praegeru-kids
instead they probably force them to watch FOX, OAN, newsmax, or any of the right grifters 24/7.
also Huckabee sanders state, whom also ROLLED BACK child “slave” laws.
I guess PBS hasn’t been working then. Maybe it’s their anti-science ideology in favor of capitalism, genocide, etc.
This is how I know you are in this thread talking out of your ass and overly generalizing PBS; NOVA has existed since 1974, has 52 seasons, and over 1,000 episodes, yet somehow PBS is anti-science. Are there people who work and produce things in PBS that are as you say? Probably, would be extremely unlikely there would not be a single person who isn’t. Is PBS completely anti-science? No. Rather than linking to the Civil Religion wikipedia and saying not much else and blaming people for not seeing it, perhaps it would benefit your argument to bring actual evidence to show that PBS as an entity is what you say.
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“Accuse your opponent of what you are guilty of yourself” as per Goebbels
“Accuse your opponent of what you are guilty of yourself" as per every toddler ever
No joke
Fascists are uncomplicated because their philosophy is uncomplicated: access to power grants you control.
Elementary school teacher here. 95% of “he hit me” tattles are followed up with, “Only because he hit me first!”
Deny accountability, reverse victim and offender.
Another true patriot based in India/Eastern Europe/Indonesia! The truest of usanian patriot accounts!
Edit = This will in fact cost PBS a small amount of money.
PBS is part-funded by government, but also relies on transmission fees paid by the affiliates for network programming, as well as corporate and viewer donations. This will further reduce the money in the PBS system as it will no longer get fees or donations from Arkansas.
My mistake.
PBS is already funded.
By whom? Where do you think the propaganda comes from?
It’s brought to you by viewers like you. If you watched PBS, especially during pledge drive time, you would know today about 75% of funding comes from small donors.
When the orange rapist dies these freaks are going to keep dragging this nation down for the remainder of our lives.
The people financing Trump are the puppeteers, they will immediately switch to another puppet.
The US is no longer one single country. One wonders when they will realize this.
Not since the Civil War, at minimum
balkanization has already begun in small ways like the Northeast Public Health Collaborative
This is actually what they want. Google “network cities”
or google “curtis yarvin”
The disparity between red and blue states keeps growing…
For anyone from Arkansas: disparity means contrast
(I’m kidding, I’m kidding, I know our Arkansas blue dots here on Lemmy aren’t dummies)
No, you don’t understand. They’re teaching them kids to be GAY. To go in cat boxes and spread their trans, woke, DEI, Marxist, Socialist rainbows. Think of the children! /S
Conservatives are thinking of those children a bit too much, methinks.
Yep. So goes the conflation. If you like science, you have to like all those other things too. Them’s the rules now. Pick a side. *vomit*
