I took it as an affirmation that being a feminist doesn’t make you less of a man. Instead of phrasing it as a double negative “it’s not unmanly to call out misogyny…” they went with the simpler but potentially misleading phrasing in the screenshot.
Yeah, I think perhaps I’m taking a less charitable view of the phrasing than I could. I just tend to bristle a bit at what feels like gender proscriptive phrasing. “Stand against mysogny, even if nobody is watching.” would be more inclusive.
Your criticism is completely reasonable, if the author didn’t meant to be proscriptive a change in wording would help them get their message across. As it is, there’s a lot of room for interpretation!
Yeah, I’m not a fan either. Turning the mechanism of toxic masculinity towards a good cause doesn’t make the mechanism good, and risks reinforcing the mechanism. Standing up against misogyny is something that all people should do regardless of gender.
Well assuming no non binary people because OOP is too basic to comprehend them; it’s not like women can accurately call that shit out when we’re not looking.
I agree with the message that men should call out misogyny when women are not present, just not with the delivery which preys upon and perpetuates insecurities that men have about their masculinity. They are valid in their masculinity whether or not they are a good person, and being a good person should be the motivation, not insecurity.
This squicks me out a bit. It paints the desirable outcome as masculine and misogyny being solely the purview of men.
I took it as an affirmation that being a feminist doesn’t make you less of a man. Instead of phrasing it as a double negative “it’s not unmanly to call out misogyny…” they went with the simpler but potentially misleading phrasing in the screenshot.
Yeah, I think perhaps I’m taking a less charitable view of the phrasing than I could. I just tend to bristle a bit at what feels like gender proscriptive phrasing. “Stand against mysogny, even if nobody is watching.” would be more inclusive.
Your criticism is completely reasonable, if the author didn’t meant to be proscriptive a change in wording would help them get their message across. As it is, there’s a lot of room for interpretation!
Yeah, I’m not a fan either. Turning the mechanism of toxic masculinity towards a good cause doesn’t make the mechanism good, and risks reinforcing the mechanism. Standing up against misogyny is something that all people should do regardless of gender.
Well assuming no non binary people because OOP is too basic to comprehend them; it’s not like women can accurately call that shit out when we’re not looking.
Edit: except gender flipped zatoichi. Obviously.
I agree with the message that men should call out misogyny when women are not present, just not with the delivery which preys upon and perpetuates insecurities that men have about their masculinity. They are valid in their masculinity whether or not they are a good person, and being a good person should be the motivation, not insecurity.
Okay but if you’re not preying on insecurities you’re just bad at gender. Had you considered this?
Squick?
Uncomfy feeling.