• wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz
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    So let’s recap…

    You gave NATO and all your allies the middle finger by cutting their budget, tariffing them, insulting them, attempting to bully them into complying with your will, and threatening to invade some of them…

    You seemingly forgot their contributions to America’s previous pointless wars in the Middle East by saying they “weren’t on the front lines”, when most of them had sent people who lost their lives…

    You end US funding for Ukraine’s defense because you didn’t think it was your problem, and you told Europe that it’s their job to foot the bill…

    You give the UN and NATO the middle finger with this farcical and extortionary “Board of Peace”…

    And now you launch a pointless invasion of Iran and complain that NATO, a defensive organization is “rejecting” you by not participating in it?

    Get fucked, old man!

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      He believes he is the king of the world and NATO is a human resources investment similar to the many departments of Trump Kingdom LLC.

      Far as he’s concerned, who cares if that’s not their job or intention. He’s paying the bills damn it - he pay the bill, plebs do what he says. It’s really that simple.

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      I mean, some NATO nations have been known to join the US in a dumb fight. But Trump has also directly tariffed and threatened many of the nations that would normally help the US. Friends are gonna be short supply.

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        Spit your allies/friends in the face and see what you get …

        I wouldn’t be surprised if trump is looking to use this for an eventual “out” … throw a tantrum that he’s not getting help so he’ll pull out of the gulf region completely, only do the bombings but leave the strait and it’s cargo issues as the unresolved mess they are.

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        Americans can’t afford to buy stuff now anyway, it’s not like they were going to get a lot of trade. We can barely afford our rent/groceries and hundreds are getting laid off every week.

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        The US was actually attacked at that time. Iraq was a different story and “coalition of the willing” was used.

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          NATO’s Article 5 was invoked only once, by the US. Trump had the audacity to insult (former?) allies and deny that ever happened.

          I think it’s great no one wants to join his unsanctioned war.

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          Sorry, wat? Attacked by who? Saudis? The official reason for the yet another illegal war was that Saddam was amassing WMDs - do you see any familiar made up cause here?

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      Surely NATO could make an exception here and come to the aid of a non-member who’s the victim of aggression.

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      these psychopaths believe ripping babies apart is self defense. they have no souls or humanity.

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      NATO is not just bureaucracy, it’s an alliance. You CAN ask allies for help, but you are supposed to treat them as such.

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      He’s spent more than the last decade doing nothing but criticizing NATO and saying it should be abolished and is shocked when they won’t cover his war crimes and the consequences there of? Stable genius everybody.

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    NATO was created as a defensive measure to present a combined defence in the event of being attacked.

    It was NOT created to provide back up to a wannabe Napoleon with tiny dick syndrome because he decides to start a war on his own.

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        A valid point and frankly still a stain on the organisation that they failed to justify. History aside it does not alter the fact of why it was created and why it should not be aiding the Fanta Fuhrer now.

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    Reads like a text chat between an incel and a woman on the internet.


    Trump: You are stupid. You are ugly and fat. I’m so much better than you ever will be and also fuck all our agreements. Null and void. And you owe me $13.47 for that coffee I paid for.

    Them: stares confused . Then watches their economies be negatively impacted by trump.

    Trump: hey we are buddies right? Come help me bomb civilians.

    Them: no thanks.

    Trump: you are a stupid fat ugly bitch and I don’t need you anyway.

    Trump (next day): how’s it going? . So when are you deploying your troops to help out at the straight?

    Them: blocks trump

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    “I would also like to remind you that the U.S. and Israel did not consult us before the war, and that Washington explicitly stated at the start of the war that European assistance was neither necessary nor desired,” Kornelius said.

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    That was one labored sentence! I cannot be the only one that parsed it as: “Trump says he’s been rejected by NATO (while) most allies (are) to join mission …”

    Instead, it wants to say: “Trump says he’s been rejected by NATO and most allies (in his desire for them) to join mission …”

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      That’s not it. It’s the lack of enthusiasm that drags Donnie down, the feeling that he always has to be the one who comes up with ideas to keep this relationship with NATO alive.

      Would it kill them to bomb one little school, leave some civilian corpses as a surprise around the (white) house or do those sweet little coups together in a foreign land, like they used to do?

      It’s exhausting, really

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    Literally no official channel from the US has asked NATO. (Rage tweets are not official) The US was not attacked so it can’t invoke article 5. No one from NATO needs to help this American war adventurism.

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      No one from NATO needs to help this American war adventurism.

      Further to that, they all recognize the folly of the whole thing and don’t want to get mired in the disaster that Trump has triggered.

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          but some individual countries might – there are a lot of reich-wing governments over on this side of the pond.

          Maybe, but how many of them have fired all their military strategists and historians?

          It should be obvious to most moderately intelligent people that this is a no win situation, unless they’re prepared to genocide an entire country. And if they go down that route, they’ll become a pariah nation.

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    He’s being"rejected" by a group that he has spent the last year shitting on?

    Gee, what a surprise…

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    “We will protect them, but they will do nothing for us, in particular, in a time of need.”

    I thought the US already destroyed 100% of the Iranian military? If I were an ally, it would sound to me like the help is not needed as there is no military remaining to fight.

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    He’s been rejected by everybody he’s ever met. That’s probably why he’s a rapist and a predator.

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    “hey, you, fuck you! also, I’ll take your shit. also, come help me pls! but also, fuck you.” - tronald dump

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    “Guys! GUYS! You really depend on the oil that flows through the Strait so come and help me open it!”

    “But your actions closed it in the first place.”

    “OMG I CAN’T BELIEVE YOU WON’T HELP! :`(”

    Fuck me, this is what international politics and diplomacy have become.

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      Also, most NATO countries don’t really depend that much on that oil. Most of it goes to Asia.

      It’s the various US allies in the gulf that are going to be feeling the pinch the most. If oil isn’t getting out, they won’t be getting paid. And they’re getting pelted by Iranian drones to boot.

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        Not just that, but Europe is able to pay the oil price, although Russia getting it is a problem. At the same time oil consumption is half of the USAs and falling due to BEVs and heat pumps. It is probably a lot cheaper then to go to war.

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        “don’t really depend that much on that oil”

        Then why tf do I have to pay 30cts/liter more for gasoline?

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          All sold at “market rates” no matter the source.

          Same reason I pay gas electricity prices, when most of it is made by wind turbines.

          This is our life on capitalism…

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          Okay, some people depend on that oil. I don’t, because I ride a bike.

          We should all have gotten out of our oil dependency a long time ago, but apparently politicians prefer being dependent on questionable regimes in unstable regions.

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            depend on that oil. I don’t, because I ride a bike.

            I dont remember the exact number, but about half of the nitrogen in your body was made using oil/fossil fuels. This is the ultimate climate end boss fight, manufacturing everything without sucking (more) oil from the ground. Until this happens we are all slaves of it.

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              As long as we don’t put more CO2 in the air, it’s not that big of a problem, but I think we’ve got more than enough nitrogen in our biosphere already. The excess nitrogen is causing pollution problems by itself.

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                Yes. Part of the inputs to Haber bosch process is natural gas and a ton of process heat. The hydrogen source has to be switched to H2 from electrolyzers and the plant can’t burn the NG for heat. So the energy cost for switching is very steep. This transition is huge, as it would decouple production of food from fossil fuels.

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            I don’t, because I ride a bike.

            What an unbelievably stupid thing to say. Do the fields where your food grows ride a bike as well? Did your bike ride a bike to the store you bought it at? Did the clothes on your back ride a bike to your wardrobe?

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              It might surprise you, but stuff I already have is unaffected by the recent increase in fuel costs.

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                Transportation costs will rise throughout the entire supply chain, including consumables/perishables, it will affect you unless you’re self sufficient for those too.

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                  It’ll undoubtedly have some effect, but I’m not seeing any difference at the pump, because I don’t go there.

                  And I already try to buy my food locally sourced. Shorter supply chains proved to be more robust during Covid too. All this international trade with unstable parts of the world makes us more vulnerable than we need to be.