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And the garbage takes itself out, marvelous.
Whatever you do - don’t use telegram.
discord. the platform that has a huge pedophile problem? the platform that’s sympathetic towards conservative shitheads?
that discord?
It’s always been IRC with extra censorship.
This is not good… not sure if I will continue to use Discord.
Any active Matrix spaces anyone can recommend to me? I joined a few from the public directory but they all seem dead.
I had just joined a discord run by the devsfor a nsfw game. I do wonder what they’ll do? They haven’t made any announcements as of yet but many in the chat are of course unwilling to hand over their id
Good I’m still on Teamspeak 2
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I don’t wanna react to this, read this article, or change my habits. Plz send help.
Don’t expect me to read your reply tho. I dont wanna
Let’s protect the children by scanning everyone’s face and ID and uploading them to a server that’ll get hacked five years from now.
Five years? My, aren’t we optimistic.
Within 5 years, I’d say.
That sounds more like the Discord I know.
There’s a disturbing amount of people thinking of the children
And said data will never be used for fake CSAM or a library for the powerful to handpick their next victims
I hear you, but what about: it actually will be used for those things?
Don’t worry, it will only require us adults to give ID’s.
They will only make porn of us, everything is fine then!
“Hacked” I’m convinced most of them are selling it, then claiming being hacked so they have plausible deniability when the alias/e-mail you ONLY used for discord starts getting spam+. Depending on if you linked your number, etc…
Disclaimer: I don’t like Discord and stopped using it years ago. And this announcement is just another step on the road to enshittification. It’s a shit corporation going public and becoming more shit in the process. Simply don’t use their shit.
However, it seems a bit rage-baity to claim that Discord will require age verification for all users. That simply doesn’t seem to be true. Age verification will be required for users who don’t feel the basic features are enough. Were I still dumb enough to use Discord, I don’t think I’d feel the need to go for the age verified account.
For ID scans, Discord says that documents “are deleted quickly.”
Just a few months ago they had a data leak which proved that they were indeed /not/ deleting documents and ID’s like they had been claiming.
Granted in that case it was mostly countries that force keeping that data but, I’m sick of companies lying and saying “lol yea we defo delete the data after”
I won’t even give hard drives when recycling a computer, I pull and smash myself. Last set of old drives I cut in half with bolt cutters.
That’s overkill, a couple of passes with dd and it’s irrecoverable.
A couple of passed with dd takes way longer than bolt cutters and it’s much less satisfying
I think they meant you could wipe with dd and then they are
recyclablereusable.EDIT: s/recycleable/reusable
They’re recyclable snipped.
More like they become reusable. A lot of places that refurbish donated computers for people who need them are perpetually short on drives since so much of the hardware they get have the drives pulled.
SSDs are cheap enough, no sense in using a 10 year old mechanical drive to save $30.
Yeah lmao. Wipe one drive at a time with a USB connector. No thanks. I don’t have bulk drive operation equipment and then it ties up a computer doing the work.
Wait, you don’t just hang like 6 of them out of your desktop by their cables and wipe them while you sleep?
Mine, sure. I replaced 15 desktops that day, no fucking way.
Snip
saw a setup like that at work, until it was determined to be a fire hazard. which it was.
had to short the start pins of the MoBa with a paperclip to start the damn thing.
we called it “the scorpion”, cause it would shock you if you touched it wrong, and it kinda looked like a scorpion with the cables hanging out all over the floor…
#tales-from-IT
I think bolt cutters are faster though
And significantly more power efficient
But more wasteful
They’re 500gb mechanical hard drives with financial data on them. Snip and done. No time wasted, not reusing them.
What’s dd?
A tool, primarily within Linux, that can overwrite disks. I’ve never seen it recommended for data deletion, but I guess it makes sense.
It stands for “disk to disk” and is usually used for things like writing ISOs.
However,
shredis the usual approach.I thought it stood for DiskDump
A wise coworker of mine once told me that, when it comes to what Unix commands stand for, you kind of make it up as you go.
Darn
This is not truly foolproof. Data can still be recovered from the spinning metal platter since it can theoretically be removed and put into a recovery device, even in a broken state.
Im addition to that, hard drives/ssd’s sometimes have small flash memory chips, from which data can sometimes be recovered.
If you want it to actually be unrecoverable then you have to actually ensure all parts thay store data are truly deleted/wiped, which is more than just the core platter. Or just use encryption and throw away the key, since all data going through the tiny OS on these devices will be encrypted. Or just store them forever in a vault.
Bud, if you put that platter back together after I snipped it, you deserve every bit of data you get off it, 1000%
It’s not that hard though. There are companies that offer data recovery as a service. If the value of the data on those drives exceeds the cost of those services then it becomes worth it to fish one of the drives out of the dumpster and take it there.
This is a very specialized job, your avg joe is not going to do it. Also, in the many years I’ve been in IT, I’ve never even seen a video of a platter reconstructed and get data off it.
Microwave it idk
I think I’ve never disposed of one for this reason haha
We delete your data after we hand it off to our partners. Who definitely do not delete it.
My friend is an exec there. After reading this thread bugged him to buy my software that would protect this vulnerability. They confirmed data/file never leaves the user’s device. Sounds pretty safe.
You do know that it’s bullshit? Unless they’re incredibly incompetent they’re lying to you. If the data never leaves the client then all the checks are client-side, which means it’s relatively easy (compared to a server side check) to bypass those checks.
For a while (maybe even still, I haven’t kept up with it) you could unlock paid features with a modded client, so they absolutely have a history of using client-side verification.
Afaik the files exfiltrated were photos that the on device detection could not identify and were uploaded to verify server side. That would mean not all pictures are sent to the backend, and that corroborates why “only” 70k photos were stolen when discord has millions of users verified.
Of course you have to put your trust in a closed source system so best not to upload, but if true it’s still a far cry from openly lying about it. It’s probably explicitly stated in their ToS that they may upload the file if the verification fails client side.
Source: Trust me bro.
Yeah, I’ve known him and worked with him over 10 years and he knows I’m a user. I trust him. You don’t need to trust me.
Well, looks like I’m leaving discord.
Yeah its kinda terrible
Maybe this bullshit will be the spark needed to move us all off Discord. It’s fine for voice-chat in games, don’t get me wrong, but I HATE how its replaced forums/wikis for so many games/mods/etc. Searching disparate Discord servers is like looking for a nonferrous straw-colored needle in a haystack.
Worse, it also makes it seem like developer support that is provided through Discord needs to be always on/always available since you can be pinged on Discord 24 hours a day. Why would you do that yourself, I don’t know. At least with forums you can choose to respond on your own time frame and people have less recourse to act like you should be around and available. It’s just asking for higher demand from the userbase since you’re chatting with them in real-time, they begin to expect real-time fast responses.
People are already looking to migrate to checks notes apps exactly like discord.
What’s wrong with good old fashioned data base backed message forums? There are so many implementations available, I’m sure many are FOSS, and I’m sure there’s managed solutions as well. It’s a mature, tested, rock solid reliable technology that has existed pretty much since the inception of the internet, and can be easily incorporated into other tools and workflows - because there is 40+ years of development work with the concept.
Seriously, why?
Forums are great for being forums. Real-time instant messaging, voice chat, video chat, and screen sharing are all a very different use-case. They’re two entirely separate products, and comparing them is apples and oranges. People are looking to replace Discord with Discord-like services, because forums don’t fucking do what Discord does.
The big problem (and the reason everyone seems to compare the two) is that Discord started eating forums, as companies realized it was easier to create a Discord server instead of creating (and hosting, and maintaining) a support forum. And that’s a perfectly valid complaint. But that doesn’t mean forums are a valid replacement for Discord.
It is not comparing apples to oranges, there are many companies that use Discord as a direct replacement for help forums or product wikis.
Read the rest of my comment.
I’ve already read your whole comment. It’s not comparing apples to oranges.
He is talking about forums because the main issue with discord is that it’s cut from the rest of the internet so nothing is indexed and a lot of platforms and services use discord like a forum (it isn’t).
No one wants our conversations indexed, and discord shouldn’t be a forum.
Exactly my point - And public help forums should be indexed, and should not be on Discord.
I mean, I share the complaint of Discord having tons of unindexable knowledge locked away in it, but forums are not good replacement for my friend group. So yeah we kinda want a Discord alternative specifically.
Wire exists.
Obviously the problem isn’t you and your friends, the problems is services that use discord like it’s a forum, dispatcharr for example “oh do you want support? Join our discord”. Fine, I’ll figure it out myself.
My group of friends, like yours, we have a discord server with 9 channels, more than half aren’t used, and one of the channels is to share links.
Matrix is great for this. Fluffy chat is a client that even uses jitsi for video chats
For others who are interested:
Does it work on Linux?
I found it on linux
[cries]
Agreed. As if every company just having a subreddit wasn’t bad enough.
I have just been using signal. Works fine.
Sure.
But what are you replacing it with ?
I tried Mumble and Teamspeak in the past and it’s pretty far from the same level of comfort.
Don’t take that the wrong way though, I’m all for supporting open alternatives, I’m just saying you have to think about the features of the alternatives too.
I just saw something about Stoat.chat which seems like a good open source software for that application but a lot of people will have to bear the cost of self hosting these servers.
I know I will think carefully before slamming the door on discord.
Stoat looks promising, open source
They won’t even send a verification email to my gmail account so I can sign up.
They were suffering with email issues due to the “hug of death” effect, try again now maybe it’ll work
Same :)
Were you trying Teamspeak 6? The UI is different, but the functionality is on par I believe. Not open source, but at least you can self-host.
Have they finally released screen sharing in ts6? I gotta say that the development of that project is pretty comical. Radio silence with the only communication being the community manager shitting on discord every other day while giving no updates on their own product.
Weird vibes.
I haven’t followed the development communication much, but yes, screen sharing works now. It wasn’t working on wayland like 8mo ago, but I tried again a month ago and it’s now working.
No. Recently I played a bit using a friends mumble server. And it’s a friend that is already privacy conscious. But these friends are not the norm. They are the exception.
Interesting to see Teamspeak evolved but still you have to pay to host a server so that’s a huge difference.
I haven’t tried mumble yet.
You pay for the hosting resources yes, but you can host it anywhere. I’ve been playing around with it using a docker instance in my homelab.
You can selfhost TS6 now? O:
I did start a projects aiming to be a more decentralized/federated discord more akin to how IRC was back in the day. Time to revisit it, it seems.
A federation based discord would be amazing !
But still that’s a big challenge as voice chat will be costly to host.
Also out of curiosity do you aim for something that would connect through the fediverse ?
Voice chat isn’t inherently costly to host, usually the server acts as a broker and then people connect P2P. Do you remember jitsi? It was used as an alternative to zoom during covid, it was a webpage like Google meet where you opened a room, and people joined with the link. Actually under the good the first one that joined the room acted as a host so all voice communications never reached jitsi’s servers.
Jitsi still exists btw, although I understand that a more integrated solution like matrix is preferable. Matrix IS the federated discord-like solution, although last time I read about it it had some issues with scalability and the typical foss Dev drama.
Didn’t have much of an aim beyond trying to cook it up from scratch as a personal research project. That includes the protocol, since I’m handling priv/pub keypairs in a creative way to facilitate both encryption and user identity verification.
I’ll swap to a shared calendar and any other voice chat software. Sure I can’t post on those but that’s why we also have a group chat for the different gaming groups I’m in.
I’m actually pretty happy that Discord is killing itself. Far too many people use it as an official platform for stuff like help forums.
Maybe lets go back to basic message boards that are actually searchable, etc.
Self-hosted options like Mumble also exist.
Self-hosted is a pain to get started with but as everything enshittifies if will only get more important.
Self hosting also just isn’t possible for a fair number of people
As someone who doesn’t use the voice chat feature of Discord, I am always confused when people suggest things like Mumble as an alternative.
I am of the opinion that any project that uses Discord for support, I just immediately ignore.
So mad at retro tink for this…
I’m still salty about The Cutting Room Floor requiring you to log into their Discord to create an account for their website.
Well there is that one nsfw forum that is VERY active. Said forum also provides a list of file hosters that have escaped enshittification.
Those guys pirate the shit out of Japanese games but official nsfw game developers sometimes go there to advertise.
I would barely be okay with a bank or government website asking for this information, I sure as shit would not give it to a fucking chat app.
