The lies they put out are always some degree of absurd, but they do at least attempt to serve an internal or external purpose. This one is so weird - of course Ukraine would like to neutralize the jets attacking them. Since Russia puts this story out unilaterally, the question is ‘Why?’. To create a narrative that Ukraine would do a false flag Kinzhal attack against NATO? So that Russia could, in reality, attack NATO to test their reaction and then escalate accordingly?

Start from the top: Of COURSE Ukraine would like to reduce the number of jets that can attack them, by any means necessary. There have been bounties for turning over equipment since the beginning of warfare. Is Russia whining that this is “unfair”? This is a war, and they have of course spend billions to bribe and corrupt Ukranian officials. Not that hypocrisy figures into their thinking, ever, but - there is a reason why they put this obviously ridiculous story out there, and it doesn’t seem like one done for the low functioning serfs at home - this one seems like it’s a spun narrative aimed outward.

But - take it to an endpoint, and say they want to launch a false-flag attack against NATO, but blame Ukraine for it. What will that achieve? Russia has thrown hundreds of Kinzhals at Ukraine and not broken it. Attacking NATO with 1 missile will achieve nothing strategic and seems more likely to harden NATO resistance rather than break it. They’re just so clumsy and stupid with these things. Wouldn’t it be nice if these black hearted gangster ghouls all died, and the world just tried to get on improving life, instead of trying to screw everything up for their delusions of glory?

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      Yes. and they made a Clint Eastwood movie about it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox_(film) This is also 50 year old Cold War junk. The Kinzhal is also well understood.

      Point being - this story is complete bullshit, there’s not some Ukraine-British plot to steal a museum relic. But - Why? Why would russia want people to think this happened? Their motives are the important thing to understand. Also - it would be nice if Russia went away, forever.

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        It’d be amusing if for no other reason than entertainment value. Also, NATO getting their hands on an actual physical example of the (actually rather good) radar they shoved into the modernized version would surely pay huge dividends in terms of ECM/ECCM. It’s one thing to sniff ELINT from adversary transmitters; it’s another thing altogether to be able to stick the adversary transmitter in a lab and fuck around with it for a while.

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        some Ukraine-British plot to steal a museum relic. But - Why?

        THE BRITISH MUSEUM’S APPETITE CANNOT BE SATED. LOOT FOR THE LOOT GOD, ARTIFACTS FOR THE ARTIFACT THRONE

        But nah more seriously they were upgraded to be actually manoeuvre and avoid interception at the end of their flights earlier this year, so I could imagine getting the details of that would be good for developing countermeasures