I noticed that nearly everything that I saw that was ill conceived, misleading, inaccurate or downright wrong, missing the while point, or just plain nasty in this thread was written by you.
Thanks for the feedback. I will try to scale down the nastyness but I have no idea how to be more correct. As far as I know my statements are correct. What do you think is wrong? E.g. in this thread, originally, the countries were supposed to be independent. Of course, some people have always wanted the EU to be a single country, but that’s not how it was sold.
Of course, some people have always wanted the EU to be a single country, but that’s not how it was sold.
In 1993?! Or 1957?! Make the EU the EEC again!? The only good way to live is in the past? Back to the golden age of low consumer, worker and human rights! Less economic power and regulatory influence globally! Yay! /s
How reactionary is that?
But it’s not just that. It’s the other bad takes. They’re nearly all yours.
The EU is not the single source of good. Of course there are advantages, especially for countries with corrupt governments. But the EU is also corrupt, and giving the EU all that power will give that power to corrupt people.
The Euro was introduced explicitly with conditions that each country pays their own dept which means that still at that time, the distinction of states was important.
It’s the other bad takes. They’re nearly all yours.
Are they wrong? Could it be that you just don’t like them because they reveal problems of the EU that you don’t want to solve?
But it’s not just that. It’s the other bad takes. They’re nearly all yours.
Are they wrong?
Sometimes wrong by containing factual inaccuracies, sometimes wrong by containing selective truths and painting a misleading picture, sometimes wrong by drawing the wrong conclusions from accurate facts, sometimes wrong by consistently picking the most negative interpretation and defending it vigorously and ignoring anything else someone has said to derail the conversation from a balanced and nuanced discussion into one that solely debates your taking points.
The EU is of course imperfect, but it’s also the most responsible of the governments I’ve lived under and Brexit has been an almost completely unmitigated disaster that we brought on ourselves. It didn’t even succeed on its sold terms because illegal immigration and dangerous boat crossings to the UK soared under the absence of the EU’s “first safe country” rule, so we can’t she everyone back over the channel any more, and the brilliant trade deals we would be free to sign around the world are few and far between and frequently on worse terms than the EU got. Why? Because we don’t have the purchasing power and negotiating clout & experience of the EU.
The people like you who can’t do anything but talk down the EU because “MuH fReeDumb” cost our country EU investment, foreign investment, healthcare workers (during a recruitment and retention crisis), tax income, trading partners, shedloads of small export businesses, GDP, respect, soft power & influence and real power & influence. We used to have a seat at the top table. Now we sit outside the room. The single most stupid act of national self harm we could have taken short of starting a war.
Whose freedom? Boris Johnson’s freedom, that’s who (and he would have been a much better prime minister without it). Not us, not ordinary people. We have the freedom to pay more and lose our rights.
So no, your takes are crap and this one in particular is stupid.
Sorry but what’s your point? This reads as if it would be impossible without the EU.
Back to the golden age of low consumer, worker and human rights
Sometimes wrong by containing factual inaccuracies …
My main argument is that Trump is not under Russian influence because the billionaires would have never allowed it. That’s a guess, but do you believe that it is wrong?
Two other points are that China is outpacing the US and that the EU is not as independent as it seems. Do you see anything else? Where am I misleading with these facts?
The EU is of course imperfect, but it’s also the most responsible of the governments … Brexit has been an almost completely unmitigated disaster
Wait a bit more. The EU is a tool of American influence. Brexit will shine when the EU reveals its true face.
We have the freedom to pay more and lose our rights.
They weren’t your rights if you could lose them. Anyway, it’s a race to the bottom and I wouldn’t bet on GB finishing first.
My main argument is that Trump is not under Russian influence because the billionaires would have never allowed it.
Would never allowed what? A stupid and easily manipulated old man who thinks he’s one of them and sticks up for them to be president? They love that about him. He let Musk dismantle regulatory controls just because he was rich and said nice things about him. And why do billionaires need to fear Russian influence? Billionaires only fear taxation of the rich, and Russia is not about to try to get Trump to do that! Russia is an oligarchy and the US oligarchs and plutocrats would love to run the USA that way.
Wait a bit more. The EU is a tool of American influence. Brexit will shine when the EU reveals its true face.
This is conspiracy theory nonsense. The EU is how you resist US influence. When you form a union, you become stronger than the individuals.
And Brexit is a turd that is killing our economy. It will shine like Farage’s sphincter.
They weren’t your rights if you could lose them.
This too is bullshit. Governments write rights into law and governments write rights out of law. By your logic there are no rights. WTF do we use the word for?
You were looking for examples of you being incorrect. There’s a good few right here.
You have a bunch of crap takes up and down this thread.
In which way do you disagree?
I noticed that nearly everything that I saw that was ill conceived, misleading, inaccurate or downright wrong, missing the while point, or just plain nasty in this thread was written by you.
Thanks for the feedback. I will try to scale down the nastyness but I have no idea how to be more correct. As far as I know my statements are correct. What do you think is wrong? E.g. in this thread, originally, the countries were supposed to be independent. Of course, some people have always wanted the EU to be a single country, but that’s not how it was sold.
In 1993?! Or 1957?! Make the EU the EEC again!? The only good way to live is in the past? Back to the golden age of low consumer, worker and human rights! Less economic power and regulatory influence globally! Yay! /s
How reactionary is that?
But it’s not just that. It’s the other bad takes. They’re nearly all yours.
The EU is not the single source of good. Of course there are advantages, especially for countries with corrupt governments. But the EU is also corrupt, and giving the EU all that power will give that power to corrupt people.
The Euro was introduced explicitly with conditions that each country pays their own dept which means that still at that time, the distinction of states was important.
Are they wrong? Could it be that you just don’t like them because they reveal problems of the EU that you don’t want to solve?
Straw man completely swerving my point.
Sometimes wrong by containing factual inaccuracies, sometimes wrong by containing selective truths and painting a misleading picture, sometimes wrong by drawing the wrong conclusions from accurate facts, sometimes wrong by consistently picking the most negative interpretation and defending it vigorously and ignoring anything else someone has said to derail the conversation from a balanced and nuanced discussion into one that solely debates your taking points.
The EU is of course imperfect, but it’s also the most responsible of the governments I’ve lived under and Brexit has been an almost completely unmitigated disaster that we brought on ourselves. It didn’t even succeed on its sold terms because illegal immigration and dangerous boat crossings to the UK soared under the absence of the EU’s “first safe country” rule, so we can’t she everyone back over the channel any more, and the brilliant trade deals we would be free to sign around the world are few and far between and frequently on worse terms than the EU got. Why? Because we don’t have the purchasing power and negotiating clout & experience of the EU.
The people like you who can’t do anything but talk down the EU because “MuH fReeDumb” cost our country EU investment, foreign investment, healthcare workers (during a recruitment and retention crisis), tax income, trading partners, shedloads of small export businesses, GDP, respect, soft power & influence and real power & influence. We used to have a seat at the top table. Now we sit outside the room. The single most stupid act of national self harm we could have taken short of starting a war.
Whose freedom? Boris Johnson’s freedom, that’s who (and he would have been a much better prime minister without it). Not us, not ordinary people. We have the freedom to pay more and lose our rights.
So no, your takes are crap and this one in particular is stupid.
Sorry but what’s your point? This reads as if it would be impossible without the EU.
My main argument is that Trump is not under Russian influence because the billionaires would have never allowed it. That’s a guess, but do you believe that it is wrong?
Two other points are that China is outpacing the US and that the EU is not as independent as it seems. Do you see anything else? Where am I misleading with these facts?
Wait a bit more. The EU is a tool of American influence. Brexit will shine when the EU reveals its true face.
They weren’t your rights if you could lose them. Anyway, it’s a race to the bottom and I wouldn’t bet on GB finishing first.
Would never allowed what? A stupid and easily manipulated old man who thinks he’s one of them and sticks up for them to be president? They love that about him. He let Musk dismantle regulatory controls just because he was rich and said nice things about him. And why do billionaires need to fear Russian influence? Billionaires only fear taxation of the rich, and Russia is not about to try to get Trump to do that! Russia is an oligarchy and the US oligarchs and plutocrats would love to run the USA that way.
This is conspiracy theory nonsense. The EU is how you resist US influence. When you form a union, you become stronger than the individuals.
And Brexit is a turd that is killing our economy. It will shine like Farage’s sphincter.
This too is bullshit. Governments write rights into law and governments write rights out of law. By your logic there are no rights. WTF do we use the word for?
You were looking for examples of you being incorrect. There’s a good few right here.