My main argument is that Trump is not under Russian influence because the billionaires would have never allowed it.
Would never allowed what? A stupid and easily manipulated old man who thinks he’s one of them and sticks up for them to be president? They love that about him. He let Musk dismantle regulatory controls just because he was rich and said nice things about him. And why do billionaires need to fear Russian influence? Billionaires only fear taxation of the rich, and Russia is not about to try to get Trump to do that! Russia is an oligarchy and the US oligarchs and plutocrats would love to run the USA that way.
Wait a bit more. The EU is a tool of American influence. Brexit will shine when the EU reveals its true face.
This is conspiracy theory nonsense. The EU is how you resist US influence. When you form a union, you become stronger than the individuals.
And Brexit is a turd that is killing our economy. It will shine like Farage’s sphincter.
They weren’t your rights if you could lose them.
This too is bullshit. Governments write rights into law and governments write rights out of law. By your logic there are no rights. WTF do we use the word for?
You were looking for examples of you being incorrect. There’s a good few right here.
And why do billionaires need to fear Russian influence?
The military would stop doing regime changes for them and fulfill Russian objectives, and the dollar would lose its influence which would hugely decrease their power.
US oligarchs and plutocrats would love to run the USA that way.
They already almost do. Whereas if Putin takes over, Russians would take their shares.
When you form a union, you become stronger than the individuals.
That’s the promise. Have you seen the tariffs negotiation, compared to e.g. India? The US must have enough power over enough members that they can use the EU to control the rest.
And Brexit is a turd that is killing our economy.
The British economy is mostly London’s banking. The EU is destroying their banking sector by confiscating the Russian assets. That alone made Brexit worthwhile.
Governments write rights into law and governments write rights out of law.
Right. It was hyperbole. There is something like a saying that it weren’t rights but just privileges if they can be taken away that easily. To nitpick, if the entitlements came from government and not parliament they must have been privileges.
Rights refer to entitlements determined by law and custom, while privileges refer to special advantages or opportunities granted by power
In the UK, the government is formed by the party that has the majority of seats in Parliament. It’s unusual for the government to not have near complete control over what gets passed in Parliament. There’s also a principle in our unwritten constitution that Parliament is sovereign and no Parliament can bind its successor.
So for example, when the LibDem/Con coalition of 2010-2015 formed, they passed a Fixed Term law saying that (instead of the prime minister being able to choose the election date as long as it was within five years), the election date would always be five years after the last one, unless two thirds of Parliament voted for a general election.
You’d think that when the Cons gained an overall majority that, as usual, was under two thirds, they would have to stick to fixed terms, but no, of course not! They simply passed a new law revoking the old one.
You seem to think that rights means something that’s in the constitution, and Britain doesn’t have a written constitution, nor does it seem there’s a way of getting one, but the American constitution is illusory, because it binds only honorable presidents who pay attention to the supreme court and the supreme court ruled itself out of power when it ruled that trump couldn’t be prosecuted for actions he took as president. Of course they left themselves room to call a Democratic president’s act not official on the grounds that it was illegal or unconstitutional, but they were too busy ruling trump king to realise he was never going to party attention to their adverse rulings anyway.
Tyrants are enabled by sycophants who deny it’s happening right up until they support it happening. On which topic, your denial that Putin couldn’t possibly have trump in his pocket because this or that group wouldn’t have allowed it flies in the face of the facts that (a) absolutely it was known that Putin wanted trump to win because that would weaken America and strengthen Russia and (b) the people you mention that would have stopped it all really like an extreme right wing government.
It was hyperbole.
You mean it was wrong, but you don’t accept that word when used about you.
But this is a gish gallop on your part. Steve Bannon would be proud of you of he gave even one tiny shit about who you are.
No, confiscating Russian assets did not destroy the EU banking sector, it just provided a bunch of cash to spend. The EU banking sector is doing very nicely post brexit. London used to be the main hub for European banking. Now we’re not in the EU, not so much, and Frankfurt etc are thriving.
Whereas if Putin takes over
What? What an enormous straw man! Putin doesn’t need to be US president when he has trump appointed to do it for him. And he wouldn’t be eligible to be US president and the Americans wouldn’t allow him to stand for either party, and they would rebel if he tried military occupation and it would be impossible for Russia to overcome the US military. But Putin isn’t anywhere close to that stupid! He doesn’t need to be US president, he just needs someone who will so what he wants. Enter stupid, nasty, thin-skinned, easily duped, flattery-swallowing, compromat-laden, racist, geriatric, easily influenced donald trump. Putin had this idea a long time, I suspect, but it was only really with the reach of twitter that he could pull it off.
You’re increasingly openly taking Putin’s side of every point, which is probably why you set off my bad takes alarm in the first place.
(a) absolutely it was known that Putin wanted trump to win because that would weaken America and strengthen Russia
Most likely true, but doesn’t give Putin influence over Trump.
and (b) the people you mention that would have stopped it all really like an extreme right wing government.
True, right wing, for their interests. If Russia would control Trump they would have pushed the Democrats.
You mean it was wrong, but you don’t accept that word when used about you.
It was wrong.
No, confiscating Russian assets did not destroy the EU banking sector
Yet. It just happened.
he wouldn’t be eligible to be US president
That’s a strawman.
You’re increasingly openly taking Putin’s side
I am questioning a central assumption. But that’s all. If I say that Putin doesn’t have the assumed influence means taking Putin’s side, then you can notice how important that assumption is to you.
Sigh. The EU banking sector is not destroyed and seizing Russian assets did not destroy it. That’s what Putin wants to be true, and it’s what he gas announced to be true, by Putin is no more truthful than trump is.
That’s a strawman.
Lol, it was you who made it! I said trump is under Putin’s influence and you said that this or that group would never allow Putin to take over. Putin doesn’t need to take over when his deputy is already running the country and destroying a lot of what America stood for during my lifetime.
I don’t see why. People took a fairly partisan view over whether it was true that trump had Russian help in the election and I think trump is right that he would get away with shooting someone in the street and his base would still support him. I don’t think being in the Epstein files is what’s hurting him, it’s not releasing them. I think it has embarrassed him to have given a blowjob to “bubba” but I don’t think it has harmed his rating.
The billionaires would have pushed a different candidate and Trump would have never been elected. The ads are one thing, but the reporting is the important part. If the newspapers and networks had focussed on another candidate, that candidate would have won.
Would never allowed what? A stupid and easily manipulated old man who thinks he’s one of them and sticks up for them to be president? They love that about him. He let Musk dismantle regulatory controls just because he was rich and said nice things about him. And why do billionaires need to fear Russian influence? Billionaires only fear taxation of the rich, and Russia is not about to try to get Trump to do that! Russia is an oligarchy and the US oligarchs and plutocrats would love to run the USA that way.
This is conspiracy theory nonsense. The EU is how you resist US influence. When you form a union, you become stronger than the individuals.
And Brexit is a turd that is killing our economy. It will shine like Farage’s sphincter.
This too is bullshit. Governments write rights into law and governments write rights out of law. By your logic there are no rights. WTF do we use the word for?
You were looking for examples of you being incorrect. There’s a good few right here.
The military would stop doing regime changes for them and fulfill Russian objectives, and the dollar would lose its influence which would hugely decrease their power.
They already almost do. Whereas if Putin takes over, Russians would take their shares.
That’s the promise. Have you seen the tariffs negotiation, compared to e.g. India? The US must have enough power over enough members that they can use the EU to control the rest.
The British economy is mostly London’s banking. The EU is destroying their banking sector by confiscating the Russian assets. That alone made Brexit worthwhile.
Right. It was hyperbole. There is something like a saying that it weren’t rights but just privileges if they can be taken away that easily. To nitpick, if the entitlements came from government and not parliament they must have been privileges.
In the UK, the government is formed by the party that has the majority of seats in Parliament. It’s unusual for the government to not have near complete control over what gets passed in Parliament. There’s also a principle in our unwritten constitution that Parliament is sovereign and no Parliament can bind its successor.
So for example, when the LibDem/Con coalition of 2010-2015 formed, they passed a Fixed Term law saying that (instead of the prime minister being able to choose the election date as long as it was within five years), the election date would always be five years after the last one, unless two thirds of Parliament voted for a general election.
You’d think that when the Cons gained an overall majority that, as usual, was under two thirds, they would have to stick to fixed terms, but no, of course not! They simply passed a new law revoking the old one.
You seem to think that rights means something that’s in the constitution, and Britain doesn’t have a written constitution, nor does it seem there’s a way of getting one, but the American constitution is illusory, because it binds only honorable presidents who pay attention to the supreme court and the supreme court ruled itself out of power when it ruled that trump couldn’t be prosecuted for actions he took as president. Of course they left themselves room to call a Democratic president’s act not official on the grounds that it was illegal or unconstitutional, but they were too busy ruling trump king to realise he was never going to party attention to their adverse rulings anyway.
Tyrants are enabled by sycophants who deny it’s happening right up until they support it happening. On which topic, your denial that Putin couldn’t possibly have trump in his pocket because this or that group wouldn’t have allowed it flies in the face of the facts that (a) absolutely it was known that Putin wanted trump to win because that would weaken America and strengthen Russia and (b) the people you mention that would have stopped it all really like an extreme right wing government.
You mean it was wrong, but you don’t accept that word when used about you.
But this is a gish gallop on your part. Steve Bannon would be proud of you of he gave even one tiny shit about who you are.
No, confiscating Russian assets did not destroy the EU banking sector, it just provided a bunch of cash to spend. The EU banking sector is doing very nicely post brexit. London used to be the main hub for European banking. Now we’re not in the EU, not so much, and Frankfurt etc are thriving.
What? What an enormous straw man! Putin doesn’t need to be US president when he has trump appointed to do it for him. And he wouldn’t be eligible to be US president and the Americans wouldn’t allow him to stand for either party, and they would rebel if he tried military occupation and it would be impossible for Russia to overcome the US military. But Putin isn’t anywhere close to that stupid! He doesn’t need to be US president, he just needs someone who will so what he wants. Enter stupid, nasty, thin-skinned, easily duped, flattery-swallowing, compromat-laden, racist, geriatric, easily influenced donald trump. Putin had this idea a long time, I suspect, but it was only really with the reach of twitter that he could pull it off.
You’re increasingly openly taking Putin’s side of every point, which is probably why you set off my bad takes alarm in the first place.
Most likely true, but doesn’t give Putin influence over Trump.
True, right wing, for their interests. If Russia would control Trump they would have pushed the Democrats.
It was wrong.
Yet. It just happened.
That’s a strawman.
I am questioning a central assumption. But that’s all. If I say that Putin doesn’t have the assumed influence means taking Putin’s side, then you can notice how important that assumption is to you.
Sigh. The EU banking sector is not destroyed and seizing Russian assets did not destroy it. That’s what Putin wants to be true, and it’s what he gas announced to be true, by Putin is no more truthful than trump is.
Lol, it was you who made it! I said trump is under Putin’s influence and you said that this or that group would never allow Putin to take over. Putin doesn’t need to take over when his deputy is already running the country and destroying a lot of what America stood for during my lifetime.
I mean that Trump is no deputy with not ‘taking over’.
If trump would be a deputy, the elections would have been pushed in different directions.
I don’t see why. People took a fairly partisan view over whether it was true that trump had Russian help in the election and I think trump is right that he would get away with shooting someone in the street and his base would still support him. I don’t think being in the Epstein files is what’s hurting him, it’s not releasing them. I think it has embarrassed him to have given a blowjob to “bubba” but I don’t think it has harmed his rating.
The billionaires would have pushed a different candidate and Trump would have never been elected. The ads are one thing, but the reporting is the important part. If the newspapers and networks had focussed on another candidate, that candidate would have won.