• jali67@lemmy.zip
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    3 days ago

    Yeah you expect the American public to abide by the rules and make smart choices?

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      2 days ago

      I’m a member of the American public. I abide by the rules, make smart choices, and don’t tolerate those who don’t. All my friends are the same way.

      Less than 1% of American gun owners commit 100% of gun violence in the US.

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        2 days ago

        Over half of Americans read at a 6th grade level. The culture promotes violence and individualism. You think this populace deserves easily accessible guns? People can turn at any moment due to mental health issues or resort to criminal activity.

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        The biggest problem with the American Constitution is the right to bear arms, IMO. I’m not American so take this with a grain of salt, but think of the dumbest person you’ve met, would you trust them with a gun? Probably not.

        It shouldn’t be a right to own a gun. I’m not saying the barrier should be all that high, but you should be required to prove that you’re more intelligent than an oak tree to own one.

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          No, the biggest problem (IMO) is that we enshrine the right to bear arms, but mandate no education about firearms in public school. If we’re going to embrace guns the same way we do cars, we should teach “shooter’s ed” the same way we teach “driver’s ed.”

          The second biggest problem is, even though most Americans agree that the root causes of violence need to be addressed (poverty, homelessness, unemployment, mental health, etc.) the sad reality of our political system is that these interests aren’t represented because capitalists have hijacked our government for their own benefit.

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            Tbh some schools used to, kinda. All the ones around me used to have a rifle team until the early-mid 00s (some got rid of it earlier). I’m not sure they’re allowed to anymore now that schools are federally mandated gun free zones (which seems to be the only thing that mandate stopped by the looks of it.)

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              My high school required a firearms safety class to graduate. Not sure if that had changed since it’s in an area where everyone hunts.

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                  Not really all that recent (mid to late 00s). Unfortunately I don’t really know anyone in the area anymore to ask if they still teach or require it.

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                    Yeah that was around when they disappeared around here, maybe even a bit before that. Well hopefully they do still have it, it can come in handy.

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        2 days ago

        I don’t and it shows in our gun deaths compared to every other developed country.

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          Once you subtract suicides, self-defense, justifiable homicides, officer involved shootings, and accidents, what you’re left with is a statistic that indicates 100% of gun violence is caused by less than 1% of gun owners.

          Overall, the vast, VAST majority of gun owners in the US are safe and do make good choices.

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            We shouldn’t discount suicides imo. It’s tempting to say that a person who wants to kill themself will find a way, but the reality is that when you take away the quickest, easiest route, most people end up not committing suicide

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            The justifiable homicides would contain the officer involved shootings (presuming they were legal). Those are still violent acts compared to suicides and accidents which make up the overwhelming majority of gun deaths.

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            Yeah fuck suicidal people and anyone killed by cops they had it coming. Jesus christ.

            As for “justifiable homicide”, you mean like… when the other guy had a gun… You want to discount those deaths why?

            If we take your number at face value. This is kind of a trolley problem thing right. Should 99 people get to have a nice day out at the range once a month, which they could easily replace with any other leisure activity, if it means one person has to die violently. If you honestly like those odds then fair play mad max.

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            2 days ago

            Worlds largest prison population with highest murder rate of any developed country wants guns to be available like candy… lol

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      People are a whole lot better about firearm safety than they are pretty much anything else here (driving laws, workplace safety, building codes…). The US has a whole fuckload of problems because of guns, but their ubiquity has given rise to a culture of gun safety that’s pretty universal here. It’s why we have so few accidental firearm deaths (… relative to the absurd number of guns in the country, that is)

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      I would argue that they do follow those rules. They’re just willing to destroy other kids at school with hopefully more kids behind them. Same goes for muslims in mosques, etc

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      About 80 percent of the time yes. Even the dumbest slack jawed hick knows not to fuck around with guns, doesn’t make them not twitchy but that’s a different issue. It’s white trash and rich yuppy types who are generally the threat.

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        Yeah the ones that want to be like the rest of the world and not have the entire populace be gun obsessed morons. They are the issue 😆

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          I was referring to folks who generally speaking were progressive yuppies back in the day but melted their brains on fox news then Facebook before going out to buy a gun without any training whatsoever. The type who when a protest happens are in their front yard swinging around their gun like their lives are on the line. Mind you that grouping is generally overlapped with white trash.

          If you don’t want a gun do your own thing. I frankly would kill to get mandatory gun licensing requirements.

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              Yeah kinda forgot that most folks aren’t half feral hicks where the term yuppy very specifically refers to shitstains who moved to the city back in the 80s and 90s only to move back in the 2010s and 2020s to gentrify everything. How I wish to bleed the condescending ones in particular.