• jeffw@lemmy.world
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    Please note that NSFW/NSFL videos must be labeled as such or they will be deleted

    Edit: also keep in mind that initial information in these situations can often be inaccurate. Trusted outlets have conflicting reports about whether a suspect has been detained.

    Edit 2: the campus has officially stated they release the initial subject. Donald Trump has stated Charlie Kirk is dead.

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        For anyone wondering: it’s not gory as such, but it is significant in that way that tells our lizard brains something undeniably bad just happened.

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          I…what?

          How else would you define ‘gory’?

          I am genuienly curious, you have a definition of gore…that is not fundamentally based in a human realizing something is very, very wrong with another living being?

          Like… your blood is generally supposed to stay inside you. Blood is generally considered more gory the more of it there is.

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            the blood doesn’t spray everywhere or all over him, but you can tell a lot gushed out quickly and goes out of view of the camera….
            it’s really fast and mostly you notice his shirt moving suddenly

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              So to you, only blood spatter is gory?

              Not actually just watching something like 1/3 to 1/2 his blood exit his body in maybe 3 seconds tops?

              Like if a guy shat out all his intenstines, but … they went off camera, neatly into a bucket… that wouldn’t be gory?

              Again I am just curious about this, different people are disgusted by different things, draw the lines in different ways I guess.

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        But if someone’s gonna make some wisecrack comment celebrating/endorsing acts of violence, they should definitely watch it to see the sick reality of what they’re celebrating.

        Kirk is (was?) a piece of shit, but the armchair judges, juries, and wannabe executioners around here need a reality check.

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          I watched it 15 times in a row. Gonna watch it a few dozen times more when more perspectives come back. He deserves worse.

          You’re sick in the head

          Goddamn right I’m sick in the head! Fascism makes us sick. All the more reason to stand up to the monsters who push for it.

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                Then why are you not organizing an attack squad? Instead you are just a keyboard warrior hoping to radicalize someone who sees your comments.

                Edit: their removed reply to this post was advocating for violence.

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                  How is your comment not advocating for violence? Really sounds like you’re pushing him to be violent rather than just leave angry comments online

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          There is at least one fewer person advocating for the complete removal of my civil rights as a trans woman.

          He won’t be missed, and in two months I’ll think about him as much as I think about Rush Limbaugh.

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    “I think it’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights” - Charlie Kirk, 2023

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      Ironically, this assassin literally justified the 2nd Amendment. You use it to off tyrants. And boy they sure did.

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        But this guy wasn’t even a tyrant. He was just a fucking pawn. And there’s going to be somebody else ready to step in and take his place.

        This doesn’t solve anything. It just gives the right a much needed distraction and the illusion of having an excuse to crackdown hard on the left. They would have done it either way, but this basically buys them cover.

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            So was this guy put on trial or was he just executed (allegedly by a civilian sharp shooter) during a time when the president keeps making false claims about needing to militarize American cities due to a lack of law and order?

            Funny you bring up this guy going to Nuremberg bc I was actually just thinking the other day how different history might have turned out of we’d actually put the major players like Hitler or Mussolini on trial in front of the rest of the world.

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              Obviously this was a case of vigilante justice. But the man made his whole living trying to incite genocide against innocent people. The US government just blew up a boat full of Venezuelans, murdering them without trial, on the accusation of them being drug smugglers. Our closest ally, Israel, routinely executes people without trial for doing far less than what Kirk did.

              The 2nd Amendment is always cited as being to protect against tyranny. That obviously entails extrajudicial violence. If there is ever a valid use for extrajudicial violence, it’s in the prevention of genocide. The president will do all the evil he was going to do anyway. But he’s a fascist, of course he’s going to do that.

              I’m sorry, but I’m not going to shed a tear for this guy. His last words were an attempt to incite violence against a minority group. If there is a Hell, he’s burning there right now.

              Those who live by the sword will die by the sword. He got exactly what was coming to him.

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      To quote Jesus: live by the sword, die by the sword.

      That’s all that comes to mind.

      These people who have been pushing for getting rid of trans people and throwing immigrants in concentration camps, and generally just calling for (and profiting from) hate need to realize doing so only has one consequence: more hate. Hate boils into violence.

      People can pray for him, but he did not live a life according to Jesus’ teaching when he preached hate.

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      It wouldn’t surprise me if this was an inside job to distract from Trumps problems

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        This is just my perspective, and I never wish harm or suffering on another living being, but if what/who you are and advocate for causes these things and you’re too stupid or bribed to see it and continue being you… Then, for the greater good, good riddance

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      It’s all fun and games until Republicans use this as an excuse to further enforce their fascist agendas. Just glad this happened in Utah and not Illinois or California. Blue states will likely bear the brunt of the repercussions if there are any.

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        It’s all fun and games until Republicans use this as an excuse to further enforce their fascist agendas.

        Republicans are marching National Guard soldiers into the largest cities in America on exaggerated “crime fighting” excuses. They have established an unaccountable militia with ICE hiding their identities and violating the civil rights of American citizens on exaggerated or fabricated drug/violence reasons. They’ve needed no legitimate excuses to do these things, yet they are actively doing them. This changes nothing on that front.

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        They were going to no matter what because no one is willing to stop them. Now there’s one less.

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    Trump ordered flags at half mast until Sunday. So this piece of shit got what he quite literally asked for and it’s a national tragedy, but innocent children killed in schools on a weekly basis get “nothing we can do about it, thoughts an prayers 🤷‍♂️.” Fucking clownshow.

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    I just wanna say, even if this guy turns out to be antifa or whatever, fuck him. He stole the headlines from Trump-Epstein and made a ridiculous oligarch bootlicker like Charlie Kirk seem sympathetic. He didn’t do this to defend Trump’s victims, he did it to get attention. If he dies before getting captured, piss on his grave.

    Hopefully though he’s some right winger who thought Kirk was too far left. Unlikely, but if it does happen then watch how fast this drops from the headlines.

    Edit: I’m now increasingly convinced this is not a leftist. Ignore this post and thread.

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    Did he deserve to die? I don’t think it’s fair to say that. He was a bad person and had a lot of bad influence over way too many people.

    But even if he was reprehensible, killing him will not do anyone any good. It will just be used for further radicalization. Not that they need any excuse.

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      As the deep state heritage foundation fascist Kevin Roberts famously said, “the country is in the midst of a ‘second American Revolution’ that will be bloodless ‘if the left allows it to be.’”

      As it turns out, we won’t be turning into a Nazi dictatorship without blood being spilt.

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      People die all the time regardless of whether they deserve it or not. He did, though, so…

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    So you people are saying it was OK to kill this guy but Luigi killing that CEO or whatever he was, was OK. Something is wrong here and it’s kind of scary.

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      I think people really need to inform themselves on what this person said and believed. It is some truly evil shit. He poisoned the minds of countless young people. He was a fucking demon.

      Not going to celebrate political violence, but I’m also not going to shed a tear. And I think all of the praise I see for him is sickening.

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      It your death reduces the amount of shit human beings on this planet then it is good that you die. This isn’t complicated.

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      Ending a human life is never something that should be carte blanche accepted or okay.

      But if someone says “death is an acceptable consequence of owning firearms” and gets shot by someone? Hey man this is the world you wanted to live in. Rules for thee but not for me is not how this shit works.

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      Sometimes people are horrible and I’m not upset when horrible things happen to them.

      I think people look at the past and go “oh yeah it’s a good thing those Nazis died in the 40s, and it’s a good thing those klansmen died in the 60s” and so on, but when it’s today people are like “oh no this isn’t appropriate”

      But also yes something is wrong here and it’s scary. Climate change, the rise of fascism, consolidation of power in the hands of the cruel and stupid, rising wealth inequality. The world is fucked and it’s people like Charlie Kirk who deserve most of the blame.

      Few people are saying “go shoot your Republican neighbor” (though I would probably nullify that too, as a juror) but the bigger dogs? Fuck them. They made their choice to make the world worse every day for years.