I miss presidents (and administration members) that, yes, would spin, but would also respectfully (and coherently) state their arguments and cases to the press.
This is what people voted for, precisely because they are tired of politicians who lie and spin. Wanting those in positions of power to “tell it like it is” comes from a genuine place of frustration to the democratic process.
I don’t disagree, but if the often excuse of “our hands are tied” in actuality means “we don’t give a fuck about you”, voters feel they might as well vote for the person who never even pretends to care to begin with. It’s a sign of voter apathy and loss of trust in the system.
You’re giving them way too much credit. They like Trump because his vocabulary consists of words a fifth grader would use, so they can actually listen to him without feeling completely lost and out of their depth (note: they’re still completely lost and out of their depth). There’s also a large subset of voters who treat politics like football and wouldn’t ever vote against their team.
They wished for honesty instead of pretty words. Instead they voted for badly worded lies. Definitely not an improvement over anything. At least you could bring retort to pretty words. This buffoon just turns into a child.
There is so much voter apathy. Voters don’t care anymore if the representatives-- who is supposed to represent them-- don’t care to begin with. Why vote for someone who keeps pretending, when you can elect someone authentic for better or worse?
The fact that you’re continuing this point makes me feel like you’re an apologist to this administration. Do you feel that trading in a bad thing for an equally bad thing is progression? I would argue that it doesn’t matter why people have decided to vote in the way of Trump, it matters a lot what will happen after his term ends. Bringing the perspective of “Voters are just apathetic to the current system “ doesn’t bring into focus the real issues the country is grappling with. It is about lack of education, lack of resources, and people who are too distracted trying to survive, they cannot dedicate true cognitive function to much else. If you want to ignore all the systemic suppression and abuse- then yes; let’s focus on the more pressing matter, the fact that politicians come across as uncaring spin doctors.
I actually smirk everytime someone says I am being an apologist for making dispassionate analysis on a situation. It’s not apologia, it’s diagnosing a symptom. Voting for a crude politician is a protest vote on the false high brow-ing on the masses and sophistry of meanstream politicians, who always make up bureaucratic reasons not to actually do what their constituents want. It’s an implicit message on the politicians to do a better job on the issues you mentioned.
If you talk to many right wing voters, they are pretty articulate and smart, and actually agree on many left wing policies. Someone mentioned before that by his/her estimation, of the ten Trump voters he/she know, about four like Bernie Sanders. The real cause of the problem is class issue and voters want someone outside the status quo. Bernie and Trump are those options, but we know who won and favoured more by vested interests. At least the left is learning its lessons now with the rise of Mamdani.
Yes, and historically smart and articulate people aren’t subject to manipulation and propaganda.
You will be smirking for the rest of your life; because you are absolutely an apologist. The whataboutism doesn’t mean you are pinpointing a cause, it means you have acknowledged A cause. Unfortunately this world is rife with many people like you, who by making excuses for powerful and dangerous people feel as if it now follows the logic of life. I’m sure that plenty of people under the third reich also had justifications like this.
What I’m saying is nothing new. Political analysts including Zizek are saying the exact same thing. The implicit message of the analysis is for the politicians to listen to electorate and do a better job, and for the electorate themselves to hold their politicians more accountable, and stop marginalising the working class disaffected by outsourcing.
Again, you are bringing up A reason. Not even the most important reasoning. It is a facet of the problem, but not one that if solved would address any real issues.
The problem is the access to education and resources, people who are richer than billions upon billions of people getting tax breaks and lobbying, affordability, childcare and welfare. Is it your stance that any of the things I just mentioned are less important than whether you can take the word of a politician?
You should know that for centuries people have rarely trusted politicians, yet their actions and words still have had positive impacts on America. The current administration not only doesn’t care about professionalism, protecting Americans, or any of the aforementioned subjects; but you think it’s because voters are apathetic? I don’t understand at this point, how you aren’t embarrassed by your personal fallacies. I’m embarrassed for you.
I miss presidents (and administration members) that, yes, would spin, but would also respectfully (and coherently) state their arguments and cases to the press.
This is what people voted for, precisely because they are tired of politicians who lie and spin. Wanting those in positions of power to “tell it like it is” comes from a genuine place of frustration to the democratic process.
But they aren’t telling it like it is. They just insult and harass you for asking anything that questions their rule.
I don’t disagree, but if the often excuse of “our hands are tied” in actuality means “we don’t give a fuck about you”, voters feel they might as well vote for the person who never even pretends to care to begin with. It’s a sign of voter apathy and loss of trust in the system.
You’re giving them way too much credit. They like Trump because his vocabulary consists of words a fifth grader would use, so they can actually listen to him without feeling completely lost and out of their depth (note: they’re still completely lost and out of their depth). There’s also a large subset of voters who treat politics like football and wouldn’t ever vote against their team.
Well, “it is what it is”, as they say over there. And they’re telling it.
They wished for honesty instead of pretty words. Instead they voted for badly worded lies. Definitely not an improvement over anything. At least you could bring retort to pretty words. This buffoon just turns into a child.
There is so much voter apathy. Voters don’t care anymore if the representatives-- who is supposed to represent them-- don’t care to begin with. Why vote for someone who keeps pretending, when you can elect someone authentic for better or worse?
Don’t want to eat poop? Why not vomit?
The fact that you’re continuing this point makes me feel like you’re an apologist to this administration. Do you feel that trading in a bad thing for an equally bad thing is progression? I would argue that it doesn’t matter why people have decided to vote in the way of Trump, it matters a lot what will happen after his term ends. Bringing the perspective of “Voters are just apathetic to the current system “ doesn’t bring into focus the real issues the country is grappling with. It is about lack of education, lack of resources, and people who are too distracted trying to survive, they cannot dedicate true cognitive function to much else. If you want to ignore all the systemic suppression and abuse- then yes; let’s focus on the more pressing matter, the fact that politicians come across as uncaring spin doctors.
I actually smirk everytime someone says I am being an apologist for making dispassionate analysis on a situation. It’s not apologia, it’s diagnosing a symptom. Voting for a crude politician is a protest vote on the false high brow-ing on the masses and sophistry of meanstream politicians, who always make up bureaucratic reasons not to actually do what their constituents want. It’s an implicit message on the politicians to do a better job on the issues you mentioned.
If you talk to many right wing voters, they are pretty articulate and smart, and actually agree on many left wing policies. Someone mentioned before that by his/her estimation, of the ten Trump voters he/she know, about four like Bernie Sanders. The real cause of the problem is class issue and voters want someone outside the status quo. Bernie and Trump are those options, but we know who won and favoured more by vested interests. At least the left is learning its lessons now with the rise of Mamdani.
Yes, and historically smart and articulate people aren’t subject to manipulation and propaganda.
You will be smirking for the rest of your life; because you are absolutely an apologist. The whataboutism doesn’t mean you are pinpointing a cause, it means you have acknowledged A cause. Unfortunately this world is rife with many people like you, who by making excuses for powerful and dangerous people feel as if it now follows the logic of life. I’m sure that plenty of people under the third reich also had justifications like this.
What I’m saying is nothing new. Political analysts including Zizek are saying the exact same thing. The implicit message of the analysis is for the politicians to listen to electorate and do a better job, and for the electorate themselves to hold their politicians more accountable, and stop marginalising the working class disaffected by outsourcing.
Again, you are bringing up A reason. Not even the most important reasoning. It is a facet of the problem, but not one that if solved would address any real issues. The problem is the access to education and resources, people who are richer than billions upon billions of people getting tax breaks and lobbying, affordability, childcare and welfare. Is it your stance that any of the things I just mentioned are less important than whether you can take the word of a politician? You should know that for centuries people have rarely trusted politicians, yet their actions and words still have had positive impacts on America. The current administration not only doesn’t care about professionalism, protecting Americans, or any of the aforementioned subjects; but you think it’s because voters are apathetic? I don’t understand at this point, how you aren’t embarrassed by your personal fallacies. I’m embarrassed for you.