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You got to be a special kind of asshole if you’re buying a Tesla these days.
Their Q1 sales were actually up over last year. It’s insane.
The same kind of pieces of shit that still use Twitter.
They significantly dropped the prices at the dealerships. A model 3 is now like 36k compared to 50+ last year., but I’d rather walk on glass. We bought a Ford Maverick instead.
Not only that, you sort of have to hate having money.
With the cyber trucks having shit glued on them all over the place the company just seems laughable.
If I’m putting down (potentially) luxury car money I better damned well have a luxury car.
And if you own one from before, the only responsible thing to do is sell it on the used market to reduce demand for their new cars. You might not get the price you want but come on. You could afford a Tesla; I’m not crying for your pocketbook.
Or an Indian. They fucking love Tesla
I’m in the GTA. Asians here. They fucking love Tesla’s.
Random question: GTA? Greater Toronto Area?
Yes
Yeah it’s not just Indians:
In 2025:
According to the analysis, Tesla achieved loyalty rates of 63.6% among Asian households and 61.9% among Hispanic households. These figures exceeded national averages.
Favorability / loyalty have dropped across all groups over the past several years.
or Norwegian, First and third biggest selling car there
or Australian
Tesla has 35% market share in Norway.
France saw an increase in Tesla registrations by 203% year over year.
Sweden had a 144% increase in registrations. Denmark had a 96% increase.
In the US, the core demographic remains white male, ~48 years old, with a household income exceeding $140,000, particularly in conservative states (Texas/Florida).
Part of the problem is that competition is still lacking in many ways especially when it comes to charging infrastructure.
The competition is not lacking at all if you’ve been paying attention. And literally every EV brand can use Tesla chargers now.
Depends how much the average consumer is paying attention. Many probably don’t know that every EV can use the Tesla chargers now.
The competition here is certainly constrained. Most car manufacturers are making less EVs due to decreasing overall demand and expirarion of federal EV tax credits.
The real competition is on the other side of the Pacific. Europe and Canada have accepted that on some level while the US continues to artificially prop up its EV market ex-China.
There are legitimate concerns don’t get me wrong. But the US won’t be able to hide from a more dynamic and competitive product forever.
the US continues to artificially prop up its EV market ex-China.
It’s not even that: a little protectionism is normal trade policy globally. This would be fine, if it were temporary and if there was a goal to develop the domestic industry.
The real problem is the combination of protectionism, while also rejecting the technology change and shrinking down to the home market. The protectionism will stop at some point. Realistically it has to. But when it does, American legacy manufacturers will find themselves struggling to sell buggy whips to a world that sees them as museum displays. We’re trying to milk a few more years out of the legacy technology at the cost of totally ignoring the future
This is absolutely true.
Even with the advent of the Industrial Revolution, Britain initially struggled to compete with the sheer quality and cost-effectiveness of Indian hand-woven fabrics.
They instituted a 100% tariff on importation of Indian fabric to support their nascent mechanized textile manufacturing.
This allowed them to hone the machinery by creating a sandbox to grow their new expertise in. The quality could not match what was produced by hand but the sheer volume and efficiency could easily outdo manual methods.
Over time as they gained political influence, they were able to point guns at and break the thumbs of the right people in India effectively eradicating Indias domestic textile industry.
They then forced Indian markets to accept British cloth with no tariff, making that consumer sandbox bigger.
Minus the colonial / coercive economics at the end there, this is an example of Britain using tariffs very effectively to grow their own industry while taking down a global leader in textiles (one that even the Romans wrote of 1500 years prior).
May well have played out the same without supportive policy, but the protectionism certainly helped them grow their own industry faster and the violent / coercive colonial element helped them remove a traditional, higher quality though analog/manual competitor sooner.
What America is doing is more of a dying empire vibe. Protection for the sake of clinging to the old and familiar way, with no plan or strategy to adapt for the future.
Yeah, I have to say, I still see Tesla as the leader by far here in the us. And given how price of cars has skyrocketed, teslas are now also “affordable”. It’s a shame they seem to be abandoning the car market. There’s finally some EV choice but not much, half of the choice was just cancelled, and most are not good.
Rivian is our best choice for the next compelling EV, but R2 cost significantly more than Tesla.
- A lot of people online like the Equinox and it’s inexpensive, but poor efficiency, horrible software and no CarPlay. Also I’ve never seen one. GM cars in general don’t do well in my part of the US so it would be challenge to get people to see they exist
- Lucid looks great on paper and I’m excited to see their mass market vehicles in a year or two, but they e really been struggling. I hope the saudis continue to see it through
- Hyundai/Kia have been kicking ass on choice but low efficiency and still haven’t kicked their historical reputations for poor quality and easy to steal
I hope the R2 works out well. I’m not planning on getting a new car in the near future, so by the time I do, it should have all it’s kinks ironed out and be a great towing vehicle for a light camping trailer.
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I didn’t realize TSLA stock had an upward trend most of last year and is only heading downhill this year.
Reading Tesla workers shared images from car cameras, including “scenes of intimacy” was enough to put me off Tesla. The build quality being garbage and Musk also being a garbage human being make the company just a complete waste of space.
It’s funny how that wasn’t really a problem until they found that bond underwater car in a garage recorded by a tesla and it belonged to nazi musk.
Destroys them all because unprofitable to sell, whines about major loss, demands government bailout.
Who wants to buy a vehicle that funds the fourth Reich?
The portion of my family that voted for it.
The same portion that doesn’t want an EV at all.
I think there was that brief period of interest when Trump turned the White House driveway into a car dealership ad for Elon. But yeah, you’re right. They’re all gas-fueled motorheads.
This is what I see as well. The pro-musk US group hates EVs. The pro-EV US group hates Elon. Then there’s the other 60% of the country that doesn’t have a strong enough opinion to post about it online. I am surrounded by new Teslas despite being a in very blue city metro. It’s obvious because the 3/Y got a facelift during the height of the musk/trump romance
Our next goal for them: 100.000 evs unsold.
Elon couldn’t pay me to buy a Tesla. I like EVs. It’s not about the technology. It’s entirely about Elon. I’d rather buy Japanese or South Korean, thank you.
I’d rather buy a Chinese one, but mr Biden made that impossible.
i have a BYD here in Australia.
Legit, how is it? I’m Canadian and they are going to come to market here soonish.
mr Biden made that impossible.
Wait, is he still President with a majority in the House of Reps and Senate since 2025?
Thanks, Obama!
Biden put a 100% tariffs on chinese EVs, making it essentially impossible to import them. not like trump was going to roll those back
Yeah, I hate trump, but the Dems fucked this one up. Also like they’ve fucked the elections that led to trump.
Which Japanese EV? I’m not aware of any good ones.
Korean ones? Best on the market. If you want the best for a reasonable price, Hyundai or Kia.
I like the Ionic.
Best case under $50k for sure
Toyota sells a couple EV models in China for the China market not sure where thier overseas models are made…Toyota has the second biggest selling EV in Norway for example and have that model here in Australia, its actually ok, the previous version was comparatively shitty
https://www.toyota.com.au/bz4x-ev
Subaru have 2 models, a JV with Toyota.
The bz4x/bz/Solterra is still the worst EV on the road, bar none.
Worst range of all EVs, flip phone quality software center stack, and the same price as a model y. It’s nuts that anyone would buy those pieces of shit.
And they are ugly too, 0 appeal.
That one?
Nah I’d even drive a paintless dumpstertruck over that thanks
Volvo, Rivian, Kia, Chevy, Ford, plenty of ev options that aren’t negligently dangerous like Toyota’s EVs or Teslas
toyota has a couple (but I’m not sure if they are available in the US)
depends on the definition of paying. is he giving you discount, or is he paying more than the car’s worth?
if it is the latter, then i am fine keeping all the fucker’s money and set the free teslas on fire.
Well let’s not be too hasty here…
I really despise most everything about him but if Elon were to actually pay me and give me a free car I’d very likely take it. I mean I have principles but I’m not an idiot.
Yeah, you are. The fucking death traps with doors that won’t open in a crash and unless you know where the secret escape hatch is you are cremated.
Tesla just fucking lost a lawsuit about this.
Get that free asbestos sweater while you’re at it.
I thought that was just the Cybertruck, which yes, I wouldn’t drive even if someone gave me one. I’d flip it and buy something else.
I think both the sedan and roadster are okay electric cars, and I think they have enough range I could use them to reduce the amount of gas I burn in my Volt for longer trips.
But, I haven’t really been paying attention to Tesla recently, and Elmu has certainly been looking horrible to me.
The problem is the door locks are electric, so if the car loses low voltage power, the buttons to open the doors no longer work. Worse yet, the Model 3 only has emergency physical latches in the front seats, so good luck in the back, kids.
Hold the line
They’re already sitting on them, they should finish the job and shove them right up their asses.
Thats after they got spacex to buy a large number of them.
How did that happen? When I worked at the Fremont plant, we were only putting together vehicles that had already been sold. Did they swap from lean manufacturing to the normal, wasteful “just keep making shit perpetually” model? 🤔
They are cashing in production tax incentives and cooking the books. GM did the same thing 2008 before it all collapsed.
Elon was hoping everyone would just forget his antics.
He’s trying to wrap it all under SpaceX and walk away with a bag when it goes public.
GM did the same thing 2008 before it all collapsed.
Along with financial chicanery, the only part of GM that was profitable was GMAC. Their shitty cars are loss-leaders for a predatory finance operation.
Tesla in Canada has parking lots full of cars they registered to grab and incentive, then the CDN government told them to fuck off. Meanwhile, the cars just sit and rot. Tesla is trying to sue, but they don’t stand a chance.
Tesla is already half what it was in 2024. it will be dead as a car company by end of 2027, about the time multiple internet satellites will have been launched to kill starlink.
I would rather walk than buy a tesla
I would rather crawl over broken glass than give money to Nazi Musk for one of his Swasticars
From what Elon says to shareholders, Tesla is going to pivot to becoming a humanoid robot production company anyway, the cars are just a sideline. They axed two models when they announced that.
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Don’t forget when they were a roofing company, too.
It seems like there’s a market for a company that will buy Teslas ultra cheap, modifies them heavily, then rebadges them like Alpine does for Renault, AMG does / did for Mercedes, Abarth for Fiat, etc.
These days those are all subsidiaries of the main brand, and even before that they had a cooperative relationship with the main brand. But, I can imagine a setup where the main brand doesn’t support or approve of what the modifier company does.
I suggest the rebadged name should be Antifa.
Even better, Tesla and all other Musk businesses should be forced into bankruptcy.
Shouldn’t a rebadged Tesla be an Edison?
Already taken.
Musk is much more of an Edison than a Tesla. If he’d been honest he would have named his cars Edison. Then, the cool rebadge could have been Tesla. But, even he was smart enough to realize what an asshole Edison was, even if he didn’t recognize the Edison in himself.
Musk didn’t name Tesla, did he? I’m pretty sure he bought it, like he buys every company. He’s not a good idea guy.
Considering that they use DC internally Tesla was never a good name.
Anecdote:
I was recently browsing an auto listing app for a used EV as I’m thinking about switching to an EV from my ICE hatchback, and the market near me is absolutely flooded with Teslas, primary model 3s. And it’s not just “old” ones either. Tons of 2020-2024 models as well.
there are people in the world who buy new car because their 2 year old one is already too old.
I cant imagine having a perpetual car payment like that. I paid mine off years ago and its great.
Fun fact, while shopping for a car in 2022, we looked at a used 2021 bmw x5. I wondered what they replaced it with and the salesman said “oh, he traded it in for a 2022 x5 of the exact same trim”. They know him well because every year he comes in and trades in to make sure he is never driving “last year’s model”.
Particularly stupid because that was the year of shortages where they actually made the new model worse by removing features they couldn’t get supply for, other than removing features, the new car was unchanged from prior year.
Used Teslas cost chump change in my country, especially older Model S which is the more luxurious model. Morally, I could justify buying a used one. I still hate the things though. And while I don’t care too much about my image, a nazi sympathiser is not something I want to look like.
I’m considering a Jaguar I-Pace or MB EQC instead. But if I can get a REALLY good deal on a used Tesla, I might consider pulling the trigger just because 2 euros per liter of diesel makes me spend twice what my payment on the Tesla would be and I could charge it at home.
Though I do love my current torsen-based Quattro so I’d ideally want an AWD car meaning the ones that fit the bill are about as much as the I-Pace. Which begs the question of which one is actually nicer to drive. Guess I’ll have to test drive them both.
You couldn’t pay me to drive one.
Model 3s are some of the best vehicles ever made - extremely safe and powerful with great handling. Also, extremely low cost long term. Buying used is totally fine. Also there’s literally nothing we can do as consumers to affect Elon. Just treat the company as separate from him.
Model 3s are some of the best vehicles ever made
https://www.motor1.com/news/781164/tesla-used-car-reliability-rankings/
- extremely safe and powerful with great handling.
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There are a lot of really shitty people who have done very good things for science, technology, and humanity throughout history. Elon Musk is inarguably a really shitty person, but he has also been at the center of multiple efforts that materially accelerated technology and improved human capability.
Tesla was one of the biggest forces in dragging EVs out of the fringe and into the mainstream. The IEA projected around 17 million EV sales in 2024, more than one-fifth of all new cars sold worldwide, and the EPA notes that EVs typically have a smaller carbon footprint than gasoline cars even after accounting for battery manufacturing and charging electricity. (IEA)
Battery technology and grid-level storage matter far beyond cars. The IEA notes that grid-scale battery storage has scaled rapidly in recent years and is expected to account for most storage growth worldwide, which is a major part of making grids more stable and better able to absorb renewable power. (IEA)
On self-driving, the honest version is not “he solved autonomy,” because fully self-driving consumer cars are still not here. IIHS says Level 4 and 5 vehicles are not available to consumers for purchase, but Tesla has absolutely helped force driver-assistance and autonomy into the center of the industry and push deployment at huge real-world scale; Tesla says its supervised FSD system is trained on data from a fleet of over six million vehicles. (IIHS)
Then there is space. SpaceX made rocket reusability real at operational scale, and NASA has explicitly described reusability as a path to driving launch costs down. Lower launch costs and higher launch cadence directly expand access to space for communications, Earth observation, scientific missions, and the long-term path toward becoming a genuinely spacefaring civilization. (NASA Technical Reports Server)
Starlink also matters. The FCC authorized SpaceX’s broadband satellite system to provide broadband service, and that kind of global satellite internet has obvious real-world value for remote and underserved areas and for resilience when terrestrial infrastructure is unavailable. (Federal Communications Commission)
So no, being a shitty person does not erase the fact that the companies he drove helped accelerate EV adoption, battery storage, launch reusability, satellite internet, and the broader push toward a more electrified, connected, and space-capable civilization. You can hate the man and still admit the net technological impact is very large.
Sources:
https://www.iea.org/reports/global-ev-outlook-2024/trends-in-electric-cars
https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/electric-vehicle-myths
https://www.iea.org/energy-system/electricity/grid-scale-storage
https://www.iihs.org/research-areas/advanced-driver-assistance
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20160013370/downloads/20160013370.pdf
https://nstxl.org/reducing-the-cost-of-space-travel-with-reusable-launch-vehicles/
https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-authorizes-spacex-provide-broadband-satellite-services
https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-approves-next-gen-satellite-constellation
The reality is they can last upwards of 500k miles with minimal maintenance, have excellent power and handling, and are extremely safe in accidents regardless of how many idiot Tesla drivers are crashing their Tesla
There are many high-mileage examples, and Tesla’s battery/drive-unit warranty is long for the segment
https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/tesla/model-3-4-door-sedan/2025
https://www.iihs.org/ratings/top-safety-picks/2025/all/tesla
https://www.tesla.com/support/vehicle-warranty
https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_us/GUID-E95DAAD9-646E-4249-9930-B109ED7B1D91.html
https://www.tesla.com/support/ordering-pre-owned-tesla
https://www.caranddriver.com/tesla/model-3
https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2024-tesla-model-3-highland-first-drive-review
https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2024-tesla-model-3-highland-standard-range-first-test-review
Model 3s are among the safer cars in their class, with strong IIHS results and Tesla’s low-center-of-gravity EV platform design.
They are objectively quick, with official 0-60 times ranging from 5.8s down to 2.9s depending on trim.
Routine maintenance is relatively light, and EPA data shows very low annual energy cost compared with many gas cars.
Buying used can be reasonable, especially when battery/warranty status is verified, and Tesla’s own pre-owned vehicles are inspected and sold with warranty coverage.
Isn’t that like 50k x 20k$ (rough costs estimate) = 1B$ of slowly realizing losses?
Most car dealers have months of inventory, Tesla typically has a couple weeks or less. In the grand scheme of things compared to other automakers this is actually tiny, and they are usually on the bottom of the list of OEM inventory.
For Tesla though, this is higher than usual, and unless most of them are in transit to customers, indicative of an issue.
Edit: Just for reference.
Q4 2024 - 12 days
Q1 2025 - 22 days
Q2 2025 - 24 days
Q3 2025 - 10 days
Q4-2025 -15 days
Its not very much, Chrysler had over a million vehicles in stock 18 months ago.
Noe I am curious how much quicker batteries degrade being idle than ICE engines.
