There’s some accounts throughout history, but humans generally leave them alone. They’re aggressive creatures surrounded by even more aggressive killing machines. So it stands to reason that an animal in that environment would be pretty tough to tame.
Literally everything in Africa has evolved to run away from humans, because when animals hear human speech and don’t run away they get eaten or domesticated.
When you look at a map of domesticated animals origins, not a single one comes from Africa. All the animals there know what humans are like no matter how we try fooling them.
Oh yah here’s the video sourcing that shit I just listened to today https://youtu.be/EqGxxWvDXsM
What you don’t spot on that picture is the front “zebra” in the back, is a painted horse. Apparently that helped the zebras remain more calm
I actually figured he must have had a more experienced horse along with the zebras to sort of lead the carriage. I know its done with dog sleighs, but not sure about horses.
It has to do with social structures from what I read a while ago.
Horses have a hierarchical structure and zebras don’t.
What distinguishes zebras from horses is that zebras live in anonymous herds. That is, they like to clump together to ward off predators, but they don’t know or like each other. They are not a uniform group with a leader. Horses on the other hand do have authorities and followers among them. And humans can hijack the role of the leader.
zebras live in anonymous herds. That is, they like to clump together to ward off predators, but they don’t know or like each other.
Zebra’s don’t like anyone, and they’re not afraid to show it. Repeatedly.
And donkeys like only one person and will absolutely fuck up anyone or anything that tries to hurt that person or the donkey itself.
nature’s black bloc
Just wait until we have overturn the fascist system, then you’ll be first against the wall!
Neigh!
What distinguishes zebras from horses is that zebras live in anonymous herds.
says a lot about 4chan, the penny arcade GIFT theory, etc
With how Facebook forces real names, the idea that being anonymous has any influence where or not someone is a fuckwad had been debunked.
It’s not the anonimity that makes people fuckwads. It’s the lack of immediate consequences. A fuckwad won’t get a punch in the face for what they say on facebook, hence they feel they can say anything and be a fuckwad.
“Social media made y’all way too comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it”, Mike Tyson
Regardless of how you feel about Tyson, Truth is Truth.
In a large enough group there is still anonymity even if your face and name are on there.
4chan blocks commenting with vpn, and /pol/ is a federal honeypot waiting for the next entraptment.
not so anonymous
yes, but that’s not shown to other users.
This makes me wonder… How much of what he says is just conjecture? Do we ACTUALLY know with good certainty that zebras can’t be domesticated due to their nature? Or is it just a hypothesis/theory that has reached widespread popularity?
I have heard that zebras (along with other African animals) can’t be domesticated because they have evolved to live among humans, when we were still man-apes. But that maybe that’s just conjecture too.
Note how he have no sources in his video or description. And his comparison to chickens, cows, sheep and cats don’t seem to make much sense. The relation between humans and chickens/cows/sheep is markedly different from that of horses. Do wild fowl really have family structures? Cats don’t yet they are still docile among humans.
Edit: even if we really can’t do we know the reason why?
Yes, people have tried to domesticate zebras before and they’re just too ornery.
But what if we spent longer time doing it? Like centuries, like with most other domesticated animals.
I’m not sure why you’ve been downvoted because you absolutely could domesticate them given sufficient time and consistent selective breeding. You could turn them into crabs if you wanted to. The trouble is that they don’t have a very social disposition, so no one is motivated to dedicating their entire bloodline to the project. Most domestication happened kind of on accident as we developed symbiotic or exploitative relationships with various species.
+1 for carcinization reference
Domesticated animals generally start out already being somewhat agreeable. Like dogs hung around us, and work in a pack mentality, horses same thing, cats same thing. That’s why we could domesticate racoons or some rodents if we wanted to.
Zebras are assholes and hate everyone
Ehhh… Can you really call wolves friendly?
Foxes didn’t have many domesticatable features, but it just took the Soviets 40 years or so to domesticate them. It really might just be nobody spent 100 years trying.
cats same thing
I think cats are unique in that they domesticated themselves
Basically yea, but it still has a bit of the same where we had what they wanted and they were agreeable enough we worked with them. If anything they domesticated us 😂
Might take more than centuries, but yes.
We have a rescue dog from Korea as well as some neighbours ( not a standard breed, but a Korean Village dog, they basically live alongside humans as a breed but developed their own way). They are much different than “normal” dogs. They are more like cats. Their way on their terms. Like other dogs, don’t enjoy humans much. So even though they are domesticated, they still show the old lineage of being independent. My dogs idea of a good time is never chasing a stick or ball, but finding the highest vantage point at a park and watching everyone. A carryover from watching the plains from the hillside, or something.
I saw a historic photo in a magazine once, where some European colonial officers tried to tame and ride zebras
The Cow says: Moo!
The Horse says: Neigh!
The Zebra says: I ain’t nobody’s bitch!
Jet Li says: You, are mine.
Is this… a The One reference!? I didn’t think anyone else watched or cared about that movie!
I do not need to know you. You only need to know me!
“Motherfucker, do you see the way I look?! Shit ain’t for the insta, that’s for sure. I’m quite visible to you so you have a long enough time to be getting far the fuck away from me.”
I thought the stripes were actually camouflage and they’re just monochromatic because the things they’re hiding from have poor color vision.
Latest theory I heard was:
A 2014 study found a correlation between striping and overlap with horse and tsetse fly populations and activity. Other studies have found that zebras are rarely targeted by these insect species. Caro and colleagues (2019) studied captive zebras and horses and observed that neither could deter flies from a distance, but zebra stripes kept flies from landing, both on zebras and horses dressed in zebra print coats. […] White or light stripes painted on dark bodies have also been found to reduce fly irritations in both cattle and humans.
brb getting a full body tattoo
The truth is we don’t actually know because the zebras don’t want us to:
So, the question why zebras have stripes have proven very difficult and not without risks – Stephen Cobb has been bitten in the arm and admitted to hospital twice. Despite the extra vigour of recent work, the answer remains inconclusive.
Horse-shaped, but definitely not a horse.
Punk horse, running IDK chimpanzee firmware?
Okay, but what about the moose?
Moose can’t ride zebras either
Brother, a moose can ride whatever it damn well pleases. But I’d rather not get into the personal stuff, if you don’t mind.
Møøse bites kan be pretti nasti
My grandmother knew a guy who raised a couple moose and used them to plow his feilds
Yeah they survive for a reason. They’re very tough.
Other zebras: good luck with that, bye!
In the 1980s, in Tijuana, tourist kids could ride horses painted like zebras.
One of them is killing a freaking alligator.
Crocodile
Thanks for the correcting.
I honestly wonder if we actually COULD domesticate zebras but it would taking centuries or millennia. Just like other domesticated species.
No. Zebras don’t have a herd hierarchy we can exploit. With horses you pick out the lead horse, tame it and boom, the whole herd follows you.
With zebras you get one zebra, if you’re very lucky. More likely you’ll get kicked and bitten.Like African wild cats! You’d just get some hell monster that doesn’t do what it’s told and attacks you at random.
Isn’t that basically all cats
Yes, but we never needed to tell cats what to do, we just needed them to stick around and do what they do naturally : catch mice
Nature is just going to nature sometimes.
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Selective breeding is no different than natural evolution in how drastically it can change an organism given enough time and the right selections for “fitness”.
So you could produce a domesticated, tame zebra – but waiting on and favoring the right mutations would take a very long time and be prohibitively expensive. It’s possible, but not realistically feasible.
They are also not suited to be riding them, even if they were tame.
Horses aren’t either, and people still do it.
No, i mean, Zebras have a weaker back and are also smaller.
That could have potentially been bred out for domesticated strains like we did with horses also, but we never even got to that point because horse hierarchy and zebra hierarchy are very different beasts, and you can’t really tame a zebra matriarch and have the rest of the herd fall into line, because zebras don’t have that kind of matriarchal social system. They are so mistrustful and hard to approach that we were never even able to get to square one.
IIRC a few African groups have legends of people trying to tame zebras as long term mounts or livestock, and these legends rarely end well for the attempter.
Hey, stop it zebra, you have to adhere to the rules of the food chain!
Don’t worry, the food chain is well preserved.
Did you ever see the size of a zebra?
steps on a butterfly
