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The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)
Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.
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@mirrorwitch I note that China is on the verge of producing their own EUV lithography tech (they demo’d it a couple of months back) so TSMC’s near-monopoly is on the edge of disintegrating, which means time’s up for Taiwan (unless they have some strategic nukes stashed in the basement).
If China *already* has EUV lithography machines they could plausibly reveal a front-rank semiconductor fab-line—then demand conditional surrender on terms similar to Hong Kong.
Would Trump follow through then?
@cstross @mirrorwitch Having the fab is worthless. (Nearly. They’re expensive to build.) The irreplaceable thing is the specific people and the community of practice. (Same as with a TCP/IP stack that works in the wild, or bind; this is really hard to do and the accumulated knowledge involved in getting where it is now is a full career thing to acquire and brains are rate-limited.)
China most probably doesn’t have that yet.
That is, however, not in any way the point. Unification is an axiom.
I wouldn’t say having the fab is worthless, but more that saying you have build one and it actually producing as specced, at scale, and not producing rubbish is hard. From what I got talking to somebody who knew a little bit more than me who had had contact with ASML these fabs take ages to construct properly and that is also quite hard. Question will ve how far they are on all this, a tech demo can be quite far off from that. They have been at it for a while now however.
Wonder if the fight between Nexperia (e: called it nxp here furst by accident apologies) and China also means they are further along on this path or not. Or if it is relevant at all.
@graydon @cstross @mirrorwitch I’ve had to be an expert in this stuff for decades. Which has imparted a particular bit of knowledge.
That being: CHINA FUCKING LIES ALL THE TIME. Just straight up bald-faced lying because they must be *perceived* as super-advanced.
Even stealing as much IP as they possibly can, China is many years from anything competitive. Their most advanced is CXMT, which was 19nm in '19, and had to use cheats and espionage to get to 10nm-class.
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/dram/samsung-engineer-accused-of-leaking-10nm-dram-process-data-to-chinas-cxmt
@graydon @cstross @mirrorwitch are they on the verge of their own EUV equipment? Not even remotely close. It took ASML billions and decades. And their industries are built on IP theft. That’s not jingoism; that’s first-hand experience. Just as taking shortcuts and screwing foreigners is celebrated.
I’ve sampled CXMT’s 10G1 parts. They’re not competitive. They claim 80% yield (very low) at 50k WPM. Seems about right, as 80% of the DIMMs actually passed validation.
@graydon @cstross @mirrorwitch so yes, that very much creates a disincentive to bomb their perceived enemies out of existence. For all the talk, they are fully aware of the state of things and that they are not domestically capable of getting anywhere near TSMC.
At the same time though, they are also monopolists. They engage in dumping to drive competitors out of business. So forcing the world to buy sub-standard parts from them is a good thing.
So it comes down to Winnie the Pooh’s mood.
@cstross @mirrorwitch In a bunch of ways, the unspeakable 19th and 20th centuries of Chinese history are constructed as the consequences of powerlessness; the point is to do a magic to abolish all traces of powerlessness.
Retaking control of Taiwan is not a question and cannot be a question. Policy toward Taiwan is not what Hong Kong got, they’re going to get what the Uyghur are getting. (The official stance on democracy is roughly the medieval Church’s stance on heresy.)
Im not an expert on this, but wasnt this period not that bad and it was more the early modern period where the trouble really started? (Esp the witch hunts, and also the organized church was actually not as bad re the witch hunts, the Spanish inquisition didn’t consider confessions gotten via torture valid for example, and it was an early modern thing). The medieval period tends to get a bad rap.
E: I was wrong, see below.
@Soyweiser https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albigensian/_Crusade
Try finding some Cathar writings.
While I think it’s entirely fair to say that the medieval period gets a bad rap in terms of equating feudalism to the later god-king aristocracies, it’s not in any way unfair to say the medieval church reacted to heresy with violence. (Generally effective and overwhelming violence; if you’re claiming sole moral authority you can’t really tolerate anyone questioning your position.)
Thanks, yeah, as I also said to Stross, I dont know that much about the period. Most of it comes from Crusader Kings ;) (Doesn’t help that these games are sanitized in a large degree so genocides etc will not show up (which is the good decision btw, if they were not sanitized it would be worse, imagine hearts of iron for example), so it isn’t a great way to learn about what you could learn more about the dark parts of our history), and the religion mechanics there are not that historically accurate, so I dont put not much stock in that apart form ‘some people believed in a religion named like this once’.
Anyway thanks both for correcting me and giving me homework (ill read up on it, any more specifics about the Cathar stuff would be appreciated, as I wouldn’t know where to start).
And I would say the latter stance on heresy only applies when your position is weak. When you are strong some random fools not believing correctly are not of a great importance, which is why I thought the church went more internally after heresies vs externally via crusades (in intend, not in practice I know what the first crusade did in the German region etc) later in history. Clamping down internally hard is more a sign of weakness in my mind, you need the hard power cause you lack the soft power (an example now and then not withstanding).
@Soyweiser The Cathars are the heretics being extirpated during the Albigensian Crusade.
Ah thanks, I didnt know. Edited a bit more in btw. Sorry about that. Scattered mind with a lot of L’esprit de l’escalier energy.
E: A quick Wikipedia check: To provide more of that energy, 1200 in France, yeah I totally stand corrected. My bad people, thanks.
@Soyweiser You’ve forgotten the Crusades, right? Right? Or the Clifford’s Tower Massacre (to get hyper-specific in English history) and similar events all over Europe? Or the Reconquista and the Alhambra Decree?
The crusades/Reconquusta were more an externally aimed thing at the Muslims right? (at least in intent from the organized church side, in practice not so much, so im not talking about those rampages). So yeah I was specifically talking about heresies, and im also very much not an expert in these things, so I dont know. I have not forgotten about the Cliffords/ /Alhambra things, as I dont know about it (I will look them up when im not phone posting). I was thinking more about stuff like protestantism, witch hunts and Jan Hus (the latter does count, as it is from the late medieval period iirc).
I just dont know very much about the period, but do knew some wiccan types who had wild ahistorical stories about the witch hunts.
E: yeah, I don’t think we should put anti-semitism under anti-heresy stuff, it being its own religion and all that. But as Graydon mentioned, the Albigensian Crusade fully counts for all my weird hangups and so I was totally wrong.
@Soyweiser @techtakes Nope. The Albigensian Crusade rampaged through the Languedoc (southern France, as it is now) and genocided the Cathars. Numerous lesser organized pogroms massacred Jews al fresco and butchered Muslims and Pagans living under Christian rule. The Alhambra Decree outlawed Islam and Judaism in Spain and set up a Holy Inquisition to persecute them: Richard III expelled all the Jews from England (he owed some of them money): and so on.
Wasn’t it Edward I who expelled the Jews from England?
@blakestacey @cstross I think the Jews were expelled from England more than once… Kings preferred it to declaring bankruptcy.
Seems my edit and your reply crossed each other. No I agree, I was wrong in all the ways, thanks for the correction and information.
@Soyweiser Bear in mind that the Middle Ages (roughly 500 years!) is a longer span of time than, say, from the founding of the English and French colonies in North America to the present day, close to the Spanish/Portuguese colonization of South America. And similarly huge in extent. Lots of places/times in the Middle Ages *were* peaceful and tolerant (by the standards of the day).
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