If it ever was, it had to have happened sometime in the middle of its existence, cuz it sure as hell wasn’t that when it launched and sure as hell isn’t that now.
It was before and during the time of “Anonymous the Hacker known as 4chan”.
And yeah, my point was that it was easy to manipulate into being a far-right Nazi hellhole, instead of, you know, a more progressive (but still racist) and libertarian hellhole.
Kind of was progressive, issue is that Moot thought it was a good idea to give the nazis their own place, where they begun radicalizing each other, and even planned harassment campaigns.
And even then, a lot of “4chan progressives” only learned the concept of harassment campaigns, which they turned into what many call “cancel culture”. I’m not saying that all callouts are bad, but often people don’t want to resolve it in private, the “resolve it in private” for the callouter means the other ceases all online presence after a dox threat in private, or at worst it’s being used to get rid of an annoying creator they hated. Often all with the old 4chan-style “you can lie a little bit or more as long as you manage to control the narrative” mentality. Not to mention that the right figured out they can manipulate leftists into toxic callout campaigns.
Also if you ever seen a person saying “why don’t we give a shitton of antidepressants for gender dysphoria instead of hormones?”, that was either a former 4chan progressive, or was influenced by one, since a lot of people who became “mental health positive” due to Project Chanology usually did in a very performative opposition to Scientology’s anti-psychiatry.
You’re not dumb, I made a bad joke. I could explain the joke over a few paragraphs, but it still won’t be funny. In fact, you’d hate it more for having to read that context. Suffice to say, my ADHD internal dialog jumped from idea to idea until I vomited out something that made me chuckle in the moment.
Sorry, your confusion was collateral damage from my mental explosion.
One of the reasons I switched to a PieFed server. I’ve been happy with the switch though, it feels generally smoother in my browser as well. That’s the beauty of the Fediverse. Even on a whole different platform, I’m still able to participate in this discussion hosted on a Lemmy server.
Eh, it’s more complicated, it’s a Haitian revolutionary and the first emperor of Haiti post-revolution. (Functionally a dictatorship)
He killed most of the remaining colonists, enforced plantation labor, and was overthrown after like 2-3 years, but a lot of haiti now remembers him mostly for abolishing slavery and there’s a lot of revisionism or justification for his worse acts.
So like its hard to know what someone who likes him knows / thinks about him.
Jean-Jacques Dessalines and Toussaint Louverture had the same core failing as Viscout de Blanchelande and Léger-Félicité Sonthonax: they could only see Haiti through the lens of Saint-Domingue. Hispaniola was, to all of these men, a place where coffee and sugar grew. lost to them was its pre-colonial history as a self sustaining island of life beloved by the indigenous Taino people. Dessalines and Louverture were probably right that they would have to grow sugar and coffee to sell to the rest of the world in order to arm themselves strongly enough to enforce their peace with the colonial powers that had forcefully made them grow sugar and coffee. but the small farmers who rejected this notion entirely and cut down trees high in the hills to make their own farms to self sustain were probably onto something as well: Hispaniola needed to be something other than what the colonial powers saw it as. the lack of coordination between the under-imaginitive, these independent farmers, and indigenous populations who had maintained the fragile ecosystem of Hispaniola for millennia is how you get to the Haiti of today, one with frequent issues with mudslides and low quality soil.
Lemmy isn’t much better.
Edit: If people don’t know what I’m referring to, this comment sums it up well.
But on Lemmy I can block the devs and all of .ml
That’s user choice baby
There is the part where moderation tools seem almost intentionally left out. This place is almost as open to manipulation as 4chan.
Remember when 4chan used to be progressive, libertarian, (uh, and racist)?
If it ever was, it had to have happened sometime in the middle of its existence, cuz it sure as hell wasn’t that when it launched and sure as hell isn’t that now.
It was before and during the time of “Anonymous the Hacker known as 4chan”.
And yeah, my point was that it was easy to manipulate into being a far-right Nazi hellhole, instead of, you know, a more progressive (but still racist) and libertarian hellhole.
Kind of was progressive, issue is that Moot thought it was a good idea to give the nazis their own place, where they begun radicalizing each other, and even planned harassment campaigns.
And even then, a lot of “4chan progressives” only learned the concept of harassment campaigns, which they turned into what many call “cancel culture”. I’m not saying that all callouts are bad, but often people don’t want to resolve it in private, the “resolve it in private” for the callouter means the other ceases all online presence after a dox threat in private, or at worst it’s being used to get rid of an annoying creator they hated. Often all with the old 4chan-style “you can lie a little bit or more as long as you manage to control the narrative” mentality. Not to mention that the right figured out they can manipulate leftists into toxic callout campaigns.
Also if you ever seen a person saying “why don’t we give a shitton of antidepressants for gender dysphoria instead of hormones?”, that was either a former 4chan progressive, or was influenced by one, since a lot of people who became “mental health positive” due to Project Chanology usually did in a very performative opposition to Scientology’s anti-psychiatry.
Alternative and progressive used to be more synonymous
And I’m pro-choice!
-creates new account and then blocks own primary-
I’m actually not sure what you’re trying to say tbh. Sorry I’m dumb.
You’re not dumb, I made a bad joke. I could explain the joke over a few paragraphs, but it still won’t be funny. In fact, you’d hate it more for having to read that context. Suffice to say, my ADHD internal dialog jumped from idea to idea until I vomited out something that made me chuckle in the moment.
Sorry, your confusion was collateral damage from my mental explosion.
lol no you’re good
Go grab some adhd meds, my treat
On Ladybird, you can block yourself from supporting the devs
One of the reasons I switched to a PieFed server. I’ve been happy with the switch though, it feels generally smoother in my browser as well. That’s the beauty of the Fediverse. Even on a whole different platform, I’m still able to participate in this discussion hosted on a Lemmy server.
This is whataboutery.
Multiple things can be shitty at the same time though…
Everything is shitty, just different shades. 50 shades of shit.
How? You’re denigrating a product made by a fascist on a product made by a fascist.
What are you talking about? Any links?
I’m not disagreeing, I just haven’t heard this about Lemmy yet
.ml is a tankie instance. The main Lemmy dev is an admin on there, and is definitely a tankie.
His username is also a fascist dictator, iirc.
Eh, it’s more complicated, it’s a Haitian revolutionary and the first emperor of Haiti post-revolution. (Functionally a dictatorship)
He killed most of the remaining colonists, enforced plantation labor, and was overthrown after like 2-3 years, but a lot of haiti now remembers him mostly for abolishing slavery and there’s a lot of revisionism or justification for his worse acts.
So like its hard to know what someone who likes him knows / thinks about him.
“abolished slavery”, “enforced plantation labor”
uh… this really sounds like one of those “pick one” moments.
nonono you see its totally different because the military’s forcing you to work not some rich colonist
Jean-Jacques Dessalines and Toussaint Louverture had the same core failing as Viscout de Blanchelande and Léger-Félicité Sonthonax: they could only see Haiti through the lens of Saint-Domingue. Hispaniola was, to all of these men, a place where coffee and sugar grew. lost to them was its pre-colonial history as a self sustaining island of life beloved by the indigenous Taino people. Dessalines and Louverture were probably right that they would have to grow sugar and coffee to sell to the rest of the world in order to arm themselves strongly enough to enforce their peace with the colonial powers that had forcefully made them grow sugar and coffee. but the small farmers who rejected this notion entirely and cut down trees high in the hills to make their own farms to self sustain were probably onto something as well: Hispaniola needed to be something other than what the colonial powers saw it as. the lack of coordination between the under-imaginitive, these independent farmers, and indigenous populations who had maintained the fragile ecosystem of Hispaniola for millennia is how you get to the Haiti of today, one with frequent issues with mudslides and low quality soil.
!meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works is a good resource