• Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      10 days ago

      Yeah this seems like cruel and unusual treatment for the dog.

      At least with average pet standards in the US, owners take pets for walks, bring pets to playdates with others, take pets to the vet regularly for check ups, etc

      I don’t see this story any different from Maxwell using this puppy for emotional support. There’s nothing wrong with that, so long as the animals has its rights upheld. Don’t think puppies can do this much in jail.

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      Doesn’t matter. They already have the evidence they need and aren’t releasing it.

      This is to keep her from speaking publicly.

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        My assumption is that between epsteins ‘suicide’ and her arrest, she set up some sort of Deadman’s switch on her blackmail, assuring that trump and the rest of them go down if she dies.

        My assumption is that Trump is semi in on it- the blackmail epstei collected on the rest of the republican party is what ensured maga control / keeps them in line.

        Therefore hes in a sort of mexican standoff with ghislane- her legal predicament and keeping her from being able to act is his leverage on her. he can’t let her go free; then she flees, he loses control over her, and with her his leverage on the party, and shes now free to force him, and the rest of the repiblicans to do what she wants. He can’t kill her, like epstein, because A, deadmans switch, and B, again, he loses leverage over the party.

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    12 days ago

    I recall there being a specific rule with that prison program that barred her because her crimes were sexual in nature.

    Egg on my face for assuming rules would apply to the President’s special lil’ child trafficker.

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      To be fair this presidency is showing the flaws in our system. Too much of our society is based on “rules” not law. A president can change the rules in an agency as long as they follow the law*. Basically congress needs to step up and codify many of these rules.

      *That’s how it’s supposed to work, but you know Trump and the Supreme Court are not great

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        While I agree that we need more of the rules codified in law, the law hasn’t exactly stopped them from doing a lot of stuff either.

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          Re-read the comment. This was already addressed.

          Either way when codified it will give power to a future administration to punish those that break the law if we ever get a president with the stomach for it

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      Probably not, but the thing we should be angry about is that she’s getting comforts while being responsible for the ruination of so many lives.

      This bestiality talk is just going to make the story disappear because nobody is going to pick it up.

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        I’m not concerned about basic comfort. That should be afforded every as rehabilitation, since she’s getting out, probably sooner than later. The issue is it’s not available to everyone, everyone else deals with retribution.

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    12 days ago

    She will find a way to exploit the creature for her own benefit and then discard it when it no longer serves a purpose.

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    Does she just play with the puppy sometimes or is it in her cell keeping her company all the time?

    This lady deserves to suffer but inmates in this county are treated terribly. I could really get behind programs where inmates are raising and training puppies.

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        As much as I’d like to see this creature meet a firing squad, all prisoners deserve to be treated as people. I do have an issue with her “knowing the right people” and being treated differently.

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          all prisoners deserve to be treated as people

          eh, child sex slavery is where I’d draw the line but that’s just me

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            We can all likely empathize but when you decide there is a line then where that line is drawn becomes contentious.

            Rehabilitate or remove from society but it shouldn’t be about punitive harm imo.

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              How do you rehab a children sex slaver? I simply don’t see that ever happening even if they miracously achieve some enlightenment.

              Just like death penalty is a cost on our system rehabilitation can be one so as well when the odds are so against us here.
              As in, are we investing millions of our collective resources for a 1% chance of rehabilitating this person or we put them in a dark cave somewhere and collectively forget they exist? Sometimes the latter seems like a better choice.

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            Yeah that’s shit is abhorrent but you still can’t become them in order to pursue revenge. Guy below me said it better. In a perfect world, where you could know the truth 100% of the time, firing squad all day. We don’t live in that world though.

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              you still can’t become them in order to pursue revenge

              I disagree here. This would not be “becoming them” in any way. What I do agree with you though is that the damage of “punish culture” could outweigh the gains of punishment/death in some grand utilitarian sense but from personal philosophy pov I find no problem with not having any sympathy, even as far as “treated as people”, for these objectively horrible monsters.

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                True, wasnt a spot on comparison. But yeah there’s a grey area here that’s hard to approach, there’s also the problem of our very flawed courts that lock innocent people up all the time.

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                  I definitely agree with the flawed justice system and tbh that’s really the only reason I’m against death penalty.

                  Some people are really really bad and if we are 100% sure they are then deleting them from the society is actually a good option as it frees up bandwidth and resources for more productive endeavours. The 100% sure is really hard to get but, as we can see, not always.

                  The other interesting point is that suffering in “humane sort of banishment” can be viewed as a ethical-purgatory of sorts and maybe we want that even if we’d never see the rehabilitation?

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      This lady

      That woman is not a fucking “lady”. She’s a goddamn rapist. Can we stop sugarcoating language for female criminals??

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      Prisons don’t exist to make people suffer. They exist to give people the care they need to return safely to society

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      I read elsewhere the puppy is being trained by another inmate as a therapy animal. And that its a program that as a convict of a sex crime, is one shres banned from.

      Mt understanding of these programs is that the inmates have scheduled access to the animals, not tthe animals living with them.