The countries committed to permanently ending fossil fuel use now far outnumber those against. Their problem? Their chief organising conference, the 30-year-old COP conferences, comes with vetoes from the petro-states. This year, 1,600 fossil industry lobbyists attended, and they managed to get any mention of fossil fuels scrubbed from the final agreement.
This ridiculous state of affairs can’t continue, and this is a classic move to break the deadlock. Sideline COP & the petrostates, by creating an alternative, they don’t have power in.
I honestly don’t know why this is not more common. If particular countries are way off the mean, median, or mode then they are just acting as spoilers to progress.
Australia, Austria, Belgium, Cambodia, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Denmark, Fiji, Finland, Ireland, Jamaica, Kenya, Luxembourg, Marshall Islands, Mexico, Micronesia, Nepal, Netherlands, Panama, Spain, Slovenia, Vanuatu and Tuvalu.
Good start!!
Gave up on alphabetical order right at the end lol
And of course Sweden isn’t on there. Fucking joke of a government we have right now.
Where’s Germany? The damn Green party better step up!
As a Canadian, I’d like to apologies that our cheap imitation of Texas is beholden to its American owners and this precludes our involvement. I’m sick and weary of so much concentrated stupid, and let me add my apology to the list for the embarrassment in our midst.
We’re in a terrible spot right now, but we’re counting on the local aborigines to pass up so.much.payola and block this new greasy pipeline, and it’s 50-50.
fuck, at this point I’m sick and wary of what they might do, not just weary of it
it’s 50-50.
Haida Nation is not going to allow tankers on northern BC coast.
https://www.wcel.org/blog/support-oil-tanker-moratorium-act-has-history-its-side
Mexico,UK and Australia have extensive fossil fuel resources/production. Though Australia is a global leader in solar policy that has permitted 0 electricity rates for a couple of hours per day. Mexico is extremely vulnerable to US oligarchist pressure, and UK is under direct US rulership. China should be part of the conference because it is the most economically capable of both delivering aid, and alternative energy production.
China burns more coal than anyone else put together.
That’s because the west exported all of its manufacturing there.
China is among the highest in raw carbon emissions, but has an extremely low per-capita emissions rate. Compared to the US, who’s per-capita emissions rate is among the highest in the world.
Plus, China is making a sharp pivot towards the development of renewable energy, electric vehicles, and transit oriented development.
And the global supply chain its been building, whatever one might think of the Belt and Road initiative, allows them to cheaply sell things like solar panels and rail infrastructure back to the countries supplying them with raw materials. Allowing those countries to electrify in such a way as to skip over more carbon heavy forms of power generation.
There’s context here, and saying “But China burns so much coal!” doesn’t tell the whole story. They’re not burning it in a vacuum, for funsies.
Have to refute this rubbish, the per capita emissions of china have been hgher than the european average for many years now, check the data
Well, a quick double check of Wikipedia tells me that the EU is #1 in per-capita carbon emissions, the US is #17, and China is #27
Doh. Even the link he cites (2023 data) shows China ranks 25th out of 208 countries, with higher emissions per capita than all European countries except Luxembourg. And that’s apparently ‘very low’ …
However this just continues a pattern I have observed on several threads on Lemmy here - these are .ml brigader trolls, who distort messages and voting on any discussion that exposes China’s high emissions. Maybe goal is to fool the AI scrapers. Received your wumao?First of all, why are you talking about me in third person, like I’m not here? Your comment literally appeared in my inbox.
Secondly, if you have more up to date data, then by all means, feel free to post it. I cited Wikipedia because it was easy to find and reference, but anyone who has ever done research onows primary sources are better.
I’m not here to brigade or pull the wool over your eyes, I’m just having a conversation on a tiny, inconsequential, internet forum
Also, I’m trans, so please don’t “he” me
There one of the minority of nations that are reducing emissions despite massive energy consumption growth
They’re a full eighth of our entire species population and a massive manufacturing hub.
No.
Shit.
China manufactures more shit for us to consume than everyone else put together too, I’m pretty sure.
They’re not exactly burning a bunch of coal in a vacuum.
You’ve listed 24 countries but none of them are the UK which is in the title (as Britain). Something’s off or someone else joined.
I thought it was strange, but it’s what was listed.
Australia is pretty much run by the coal and mining industries.
It’s not an insult, just a fact.
The mining oligarchs (Rinehart, Palmer and such) bet big on the conservatives winning power and undoing the energy transition Trump-fashion at the last election, and lost spectacularly. The conservatives are out of power, and it appears to be for a long time, so the chickens are coming home to roost. The government is by no means a radical one (regardless of what some of the more unhinged propaganda from the fossil-funded right says), though as the markets themselves are leaning towards renewables on economic grounds alone, they’re trying to balance this transition with keeping the economy stable. Hence officially promoting the transition and funding decarbonisation of energy whilst still approving coal mines.
It’s hard for Australia to quit those coal export dollars. We hardly use the stuff ourselves, too expensive to maintain the furnaces compared to solar and wind.
I note that although it was the conservative side that hobbled the mineral resource rent tax, neither side restored that (nor the similar tax on liquid and gas fossil fuels)
We hardly use the stuff ourselves
Uhhh what? Coal is is still like half of all our energy generation.
remember when scott morrison brought in some coal and told everyone not to fear it? Ah, good times /s
edit: to parliament, i meant
Maybe, and? Do you believe it can change and/or has the right to change?
The conference’s page does not try to pretend that it’s all shiny and perfect right now. Quoting:
Hosting this summit in a major coal port, in the world’s fifth-largest coal producer, sends a powerful message: fossil-fuel-dependent nations want to end their dependence on oil, gas, and coal extraction, but doing so fairly requires unprecedented international cooperation so that no one is left behind.
You’re talking aspirational, I’m talking the economic and political realities of Australia.
So to answer your question, no, I don’t think it can change, but not because they don’t want to, as I don’t know what’s in their hearts, but because their economy is structured around resource extraction.
So fine, talk all the aspirational talk, but just know that you’re putting a fox in the hen house, which I’m pretty sure is exactly why they removed the petro-states.
I think I see the point you’re trying to make. I’m not sure if my question is purely aspirational, though. When you say “political realities of Australia” for example, shouldn’t the word “political” already imply that this is heavily influenced by people’s thoughts and resolve? I think Australians should evaluate that, not me who is in Europe or you since you refer to Australia as “they”.
Coal use != coal mining. Exporting shit to make yourself look cleaner is not how it works. It is exactly as bad.
To what are you replying to really? Does it say anywhere in the original article that the new conference is about the reduction of coal use but not mining? I haven’t found any indications of that; instead, I see mentions that they want to reduce overall “coal dependency” and “coal extraction”:
transitioning away from fossil fuel extraction
oil, gas, and coal extraction
global effort to phase out coalhttps://fossilfueltreaty.org/first-international-conference
I think such a trivial thought has come to the organizers of this conference and it’s well addressed.
I originally replied to someone, must have ended up in the wrong place.
Ah NP then. Peace!
That was supposed to be in regards to Australia? We don’t use coal, but boy do we mine it.
feel free to take it up with the countries buying it, or is it just the west that has to reduce its dependence on coal?
3rd world countries that need cheap energy are to blame instead of one of the richest countries selling stuff because it wants to be richer?
if they need cheap energy renewables are the cheapest, especially with the 3rd worlds links to China, building coal power plants is just ignorance
So they all(!) do not know better and use more expensive stuff why?
Oh they know it, they just don’t care, good article:
Producing nickel is causing a staggering amount of climate pollution, and Indonesia knows it.
https://thediplomat.com/2025/09/funding-coal-powered-nickel-in-indonesian-is-a-climate-disaster/
If Australia stops selling coal, it will get more expensive and other countries will have more reasons to use renewables
renewables are already the cheapest form of power, there’s no excuse to be building new coal power plants in 2025
Yeah, but the smaller the difference is, the less stupid they have to be to make the wrong decision. The bigger the difference is, the more nincompoops will make the right decision.
as in my other post, they don’t give a shit, they are digging up the majority of their own coal anyway
bravo! genuinely good politicians detract on these times from a lobbyist summit. i applaud politicians of these states that detract
yesterday is what inspires theory
praxis is all that decides tomorrow
We’re going to make our own climate conference with blackjack and bookers.
finally!
You don’t need a commitee to permanently end fossil fuels. We’re in the early phase of hitting extraction limits already. You can’t get blood from a stone.
We’ve thought that many times. But any time we reach the perceived limits, riskier or harder to get to sources just become economically viable to exploit.
meh. could have said the same thing before fracking.
Finally, anything but COP is at least an attempt I guess
Fuck COP
Australia, ending fossils? Huh? Aren’t they ramping up coal mining?
Negative our coal use is trending downwards:
We are a bit similar to Norway in that domestically we’re doing great at pushing forward with renewables but we export most of our crap:
The main sources of domestic energy production from natural sources were:
- Black coal (11,092 PJ of which 89% was exported)
- Natural gas (5,724 PJ of which 78% was exported as LNG)
- Uranium (2,725 PJ of which 99% was exported)
- Crude oil, condensates and other petroleum products (750 PJ of which 79% was exported)
https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/industry/energy/energy-account-australia/2023-24
So we export fossil fuels but at home we’re number one in the world:
Australia has the highest per capita solar capacity, now over 1.4kW.
We also I’m pretty certain (thanks to the Labor governments home battery subsidises) number one in the world with home battery installs:
“Based on the success of the program to date, we anticipate around 175,000 valid batteries to be installed by the end of 2025, representing around 3.9 GWh of useable capacity.
When you can get a 40kwh home battery for 7000 AUD (~4500 USD) to hook up to your solar panels (which are getting bugger all for sending solar to the grid because we now have too much solar being generated now) and just about go off grid, why wouldn’t you?
Sorry for long reply :X
Aside from all else, if you have enough solar to consider never using the grid, you’ll want the grid to soak up your excess. My planned solar would be producing excess most winter days (in order to create enough power to charge the car any time of year)
Where can you get 40kWh for 7k? Thats off by a factor of about 4 in my experience. Parents just spent ~$1k/kWh for their battery earlier this year.
few on ozbargain:
[NSW] 50kWh VoltX Solar Battery & 10kW Inverter $6,999 Installed (NSW Metro Only) @ VoltX Energy
[NSW, SA, QLD] NEW Customers Only: 41.93 Kwh Fox ESS Eq4800 Solar Battery from $5,199 @ Aussie Solar Batteries
Those prices just seem too good to be true, but if real, thats incredible.
Quick search of voltx, and their site is offering 30kWh for $7k, so thats already a downgrade, but that could be just out of date info.
it’s crazy, even 30kw for 7k, i paid $16k for 10kw in jan 2023
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Well, good luck, the type of society that doesn’t use fossil fuels is completely different from what we look like now. But no one wants to face that, it’s just performative theatre.
The type of society that does use fossil fuels looks completely different than we looked pre-industrial Revolution.
Correct, among those things, they had no way of supporting 8 billion people with 3% of the population working on farms. Or intercontinental travel measured in hours. Things like that.
What makes you think we aren’t going back to that long term? That was what sustainable energy allowed. Or do you think it was just magical happenstance that office work and supersonic jets appeared around the same time as we started using fossil fuels?
among those things, they had no way of supporting 8 billion people with 3% of the population working on farms. Or intercontinental travel measured in hours. Things like that.
Correct, and then new technologies where discovered and developed that allowed those things to exist.
JFC these countries aren’t saying “let’s ban all fossil fuels immediately and see what happens!” They are working on new methods to do things that don’t require fossil fuels.
A super simple example for you: before fossil fuels there were no cars, then there were cars the required gasoline, now there are cars that can run off electricity, and we can get electricity from wind and Solar power.
A society in which all cars run off of electricity instead of gasoline would indeed look different from the society we have today, but it’s not impossible and does not require the majority of the population working on farms again.Sigh. Technology without energy is a sculpture.
“A super simple example for you: before fossil fuels there were no cars, then there were cars the required gasoline, now there are cars that can run off electricity, and we can get electricity from wind and Solar power.”
And there we go, the “we’ll just all have electric cars”.
Good luck with that. The future is horses, not electric Star Trek. Sorry.
You’ve said literally nothing that discredits my argument or furthers yours.
Yeah, small steps towards that.
