• rayyy@piefed.social
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    11 days ago

    Republicans are scared shitless that people will get another taste of socialism like they did with the wildly popular FDR…

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    R/conservative is really funny right now. They’re clawing their own eyes out over literal NYC just because it’s Daddy’s favorite place

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      11 days ago

      Psyched for Mamdani and NYC but it’s hard to believe how many people voted for a sexual harassmer who is also openly corrupt

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        11 days ago

        Is it “hard to believe” when the Americans voted twice to elect a full on rapist for President?.. with the added qualifications of convicted felon, fraudster and 99.99% likely a pedophile?

        I think it’s time to accept Americans could not care less about sexual assault, women or kids rights.

        Yes, that is a generalization with a nasty connotation but that is what Americans have shown to be

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            11 days ago

            The issue, IMO, is the “fuck you, got mine” attitude from so many Americans.

            Sure, someone who identifies as a “Liberal” may not want trans people be victimized but if they themselves are not trans (or maybe a close loved one), it’s really someone else’s problem not really worth doing anything about… maybe a post online

            Fascism has taken over in the USA because of decades of dumbing down the public and rage farming… but the actual cause at the moment is that the raging idiots are willing to take action while the rest, unless personally affected, “can’t be bothered”

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    It’s quite fascinating that, on the one hand they think everything he tries will fail and he won’t achieve any of the things he promised, and at the same time they also think his policies will destroy New York City and all the business will leave.

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    11 days ago

    Sadly, they aren’t all old. The alt-right recruitment drive that’s been running for the last decade or so has borne a lot of fruit.

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      11 days ago

      Yup.

      Starting to think GenZ/Alpha aren’t going to save us. Not the men anyway. They’re buying into that dogshit hook, line, and sinker.

      • Tbf, Gen Z just has a more “doomer” mindset, they don’t care anymore, they’d happily vote for a far-right, or even a socialist or a communist. I mean 60% of Americans have a positive view of Socialism. Its not really Gen Z being right wing, they are tired of the current system and is deparate for change, ANY change. So… lets hope they don’t choose change into the wrong direction.

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        Millennials are the last generation to not be raised by an algorithm, and also seemingly the only generation that doesn’t get more conservative as they age, so I guess it’s up to us to save the planet.

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          Millennials are getting more conservative as they age, at least in the US. We thought this might be true during Trump’s first term when the age gap in voter behavior was so large, but millennials were delayed in reaching the wealth milestones like homeownership and to a lesser degree childbirth. We weren’t shut out entirely.

          As millennials reach their peak earning power we will get more conservative still. The fact of the matter is that being poor shortens your life and being rich stunts your empathy. Individuals don’t change their politics much. As time passes the poor die off from the generational cohort and leave the rich conservative assholes.

          Wealth concentration to the rich will push each succeeding generation left as a greater proportion of people are locked out of wealth accumulation, but that has a few generations to go before the limits and a tip into facism is always possible as we see right now.

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      11 days ago

      Reverse secession - can we force them to secede? I’m really tired of all progress in this fucking country being attacked by idiots.

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    11 days ago

    Unfortunately, it’s not just old or white people. Just look at the young GOP Nazi club or all the latinos that voted for Trump

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      11 days ago

      or all the latinos that voted for Trump

      It’s like fire voting for water. It’s honestly hard to wrap your mind around.

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        I don’t know how true this is.

        I read recently that when Trump’s speeches have been translated for non-English speakers, they are wildly different than what he is actually saying.

        And when bilinguals translate for them directly, they aren’t believed because the literal translation is pants on the head crazy.

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          This was on a YouTube channel, so it was just some dude and not like an official news source, but back in 2020 I found a Trump speech with German subtitles. Specifically, it was the time Trump said to stop testing for COVID so that there wouldn’t be any cases.

          The exact quote is: “If we stopped testing right now, we’d have very few cases, if any.”

          But the subtitles meant something like “We’ve done the tests and have very few cases.”

          So, it completely changed the statement from something utterly stupid and ridiculous to reporting that the US just didn’t have many COVID cases, which was obviously false.

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      Watch the 20 v 1 where Mehdi from Zeteo takes on a bunch of MAGA folk. They’re all 20-30 years old and it’s fucking crazy how many of them are blatantly racist and/or fascist. I’ll have to come back with the video link for you guys.

      Edit: here you go https://youtu.be/2S-WJN3L5eo

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        11 days ago

        Jubilee - Surrounded is a completely twisted version of reality where they have been called out for deliberately finding and paying people to take the most extreme positions to represent the worst of humanity.

        I’m not saying that there aren’t open fascists out there, many of them are now running our country in fact, but we all HAVE to start shutting the door on this kind of pandering rage-porn that makes us all hate each other for clicks. It’s making it all worse. Jubilee is not how people talk, it’s not how we reach each other and make change.

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    I hope what we take most from this is that 2026, 2028 is NOT “too early” or “too high stakes” for an ACTUAL progressive campaign. The DNC has used that argument 3x with Trump and lost said elections twice (only winning 2020 because Trump bombed w/ Covid-19). I’m certain we’ll hear it again in the next two national elections.

    Having a competent populist leftist politician is not a detraction. Quite the opposite. NO to Gruesome Newsom

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      11 days ago

      If AoC wins the primary I’ll vote for her.

      If Newsom wins the primary I’ll vote for him.

      I’ll be donating to AoC’s campaign though.

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      Just to be very clear, the DNC leadership is antagonistic to our (I assumed) shared goals.

      The Democrats are obviously what needs to be supported in a 2 party system, so regardless of the DNC antics, the sacrifice for not choosing them will be more severe, and they know that.

      I’m saying this all to say, absolutely support a progressive candidate if you can in the primaries, but when it comes election time, fall in line.

      Also, there is a big problem where Mamdani is supremely clever and fast on his feet, having practiced every comeback a million times in the shower, ready to let them rip on command.

      At the federal there is no one with that level of natural charisma or wit.

      That’s something important to point out.

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        I’m saying this all to say, absolutely support a progressive candidate if you can in the primaries, but when it comes election time, fall in line.

        No.

        A candidate campaigns for MY vote.

        The Democratic establishment can prove they aren’t an obstacle to progress, me blindly voting for them is no longer a grace I automatically extend to a party hellbent on sabotaging progressives even if it means losing to literal fascists.

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          11 days ago

          Sure, and compromise is inherent to democracy. So go vote for who you want in the primaries, and vote against who you don’t want in the general.

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            Absolutely, but I will not keep falling in line for candidates that would rather lose than listen to me and publicly and emphatically support the very reasonable policies I want.

            At a certain point my vote is earned, it has to be or else I will be ignored.

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              I think you are missing the meaning of “compromise”. You need to vote for the candidate that will best represent you… And part of the best representation equation is being able to win the election.

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                Oh! I guess if being able to win an election is part of the compromise maybe all the non voters for Hillary and Kamala were right.

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          No.

          A candidate campaigns for MY vote.

          This stupid shit will lose you the ability to vote, and fuck over millions of people not deserving the blunt end of said stupidity.

          It’s been seen time and time again that democrats losing shifts them right.

          Thats what happens.

          The DNC knows that all they have to do is play “At least we’re not trump” and they’re happy enough.

          You acting like a petulant child, as if somehow you’re really getting back the rich out of touch people is pants on head stupid. It’s you that loses the most. Actually no, its the marginalized people who lose the most, yet you sit there, pout, and fuck yourself and your fellow country while having a childish tantrum.

          The Democratic establishment can prove they aren’t an obstacle to progress

          They won’t, and you already know this, so you can either be mature and pragmatic by realizing this and voting as best aligns with your interests while trying to change the party over time as this is a 2 party winner takes all/first past the post style system, or you can act like a child, and self harm;throwing a tantrum whilst walking a tight rope.

          me blindly voting for them is no longer a grace I automatically extend to a party hellbent on sabotaging progressives even if it means losing to literal fascists.

          I refuse to believe real people and not fascists agitators can have opinions this brain dead.

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            I refuse to believe real people and not fascists agitators can have opinions this brain dead.

            This is exactly why people with your perspective are destroying this country and keep losing elections to fascists, y’all refuse to believe reality and instead feel the need to force a moral judgement on votors not giving your shit candidates votes automatically because “other side bad”.

            It’s been seen time and time again that democrats losing shifts them right.

            Thats what happens.

            That is their choice, not mine.

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              This is exactly why people with your perspective are destroying this country and keep losing elections to fascists

              Its crazy you say shit like this when we both support progressiveness. “You are realistic and therefor bad”.

              y’all refuse to believe reality and instead need to force a moral judgment on voters not giving your shit candidates votes automatically because “other side bad”.

              They literally aren’t my preferred candidates. That was inherent to the statment that they were not preferred but you still should because not doing so is petulant tantrum throwing that hurts many, including yourself.

              You badly want reality to just work the way you want it to work instead of the way it does, and would rather be delusional than face the facts.

              You literally can’t logically justify your emotional and self harming behaviour and never stop to self reflect on why that is.

              That is their choice, not mine.

              100% your choice. Fortunately you are an (insane and child like) minority, but holy fuck do you not help.

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                You do know that when you start insulting your opponent you’ve both lost the argument and shown your ass, right?

                Hopefully one day you’ll realize that you are the problem, that it is you carrying water for the right-wing party that together with the far-right-wing party have turned the good ole USA into a right-loving hellhole, slowly but surely over the last 50 years or so. Always unable to understand why a growing number of people are done with your political farce, just foaming at the mouth as your shill cries of blue-compliance and lesser-evil voting fail to do anything.

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                  You do know that when you start insulting your opponent you’ve both lost the argument and shown your ass, right?

                  No, I don’t know that, because its something people without actual points in their favour bust out when they feel the other person has been too blunt.

                  In this case, the other person wishes to harm a significant amount of people. I owe them no apologies, and the only people showing their asses are the people treating significant, real life politics like a game and as if they were children flipping all the pieces off because they didn’t win.

                  Hopefully one day you’ll realize that you are the problem, that it is you carrying water for the right-wing party that together with the far-right-wing party have turned the good ole USA into a right-loving hellhole, slowly but surely over the last 50 years or so.

                  The thing about this child like understanding of this easy to understand system where only 2 parties will ever have a chance due to the math of it being a first past the post/winner takes all system, is that the very obvious only way to change said system without tremendous blood shed, is by slowly transitioning the party closest to your goals over time. Because this can’t be completed faster than a short on tiktok or youtube, you get enraged and think the whole system can never be fixed. Do you have a solution? Of course you don’t though. You’d instead have it get more broken, harming you and your causes more.

                  and lesser-evil voting fail to do anything.

                  This by itself is tremendously ignorant to the massive differences in policy between the 2 parties. All of this comment is filled with impotent irate ignorance.

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      By any chance do you have a good link that explains all the terrible stuff Gavin has done? I know some of the stuff but my memory is not like it used to be and my wife was asking and I wanted to explain to her that even though he’s making some funny Trump jokes he’s a piece of crap himself