@utopiah #YunoHost, #StartOS, #Cloudron, #coopcloud, #uncloud and the people that write the recipies for the applications running on them are the answer.

Modelled solutions that check for related applications as they install are the way that encourage more people to self host by making installation, configuration, backup, update and removal easier.

Given that #cloudflare is down today - it seems to me that the idea of networks of selfhosted CDN / DDOS prevention nodes running on such boxes would be a away of avoiding single points of failure.

@domi No … agree it would’t. My thought was more about helping each other improve deliverability between self hosters - but then overtime a network of self hosted servers that trusted each other might become appealing to Google , Outlook to eventually trust.

@domi @tofu A thought but is there a way to exchange trust with other mailservers to guarantee delivery?

@PhilipTheBucket @PeacefulForest #newzealand has #ecostores - when you taken things to the tip / #landfill - they are sorted through and anything useful is put into stock at an #ecoshop where people can buy it for nominal amounts. In the #uk its illegal to - which seems crazy. Id love to see my local waste transfer station to have a ‘reuse’ option - so you could dump your rubbish and selectnthings you need from items other have left.

@batmaniam @SelfhostedResearch Completely agree. Its a said state of affairs that we really need ML based filters for our app notifications

@Toasted_Breakfast @Faltsm Garbage in . Garbage out. If the content is focused in applications AI will just relfect that. Its not a thinking function.

And even if its only trained with the best content you still need to know the questions to ask.

@portnull @Toasted_Breakfast I don’t think these self hosting articles are that useful and much more than a list of applications. They send people off in the wrong direction.

They only answer that ‘what do I want/could I do’ but they don’t answer the ‘what device do I want to do it on’ and ‘where do I want to be able to do it’ questions - They also don’t answer the ‘what do I need to learn to do it’ - what do I need to protect my data?

And frankly I think they take the wrong approach when there are now more comprehensive solutions that could put selfhosters in a better position and get them thinking about questions like 'What happens when the cheap laptop I’m running this on dies/house catches fire/ How can I stop someone get into my application - How do I not forget all these passwords? - Sure they are great to play around with but would you really recommend anyone start ouy by spinning up Nextcloud and then putting stuff on it they really don’t want to lose?

Sorry that might sound grumpy… I don’t mean it to be. Its great that people are being encouraged to try - but they should also be really early on talking about things like ‘doing things with a friend or a group of similarly interested people’ (I know that sound weird - but you need offsite backup people … and someone to be able to step in of something happens to you … or things go wrong. (It takes a village to raise a baby)

@decended_being Where are you located?

@Fizz @Toasted_Breakfast I had a look at a few guides. They all come with a few assumptions and get into details but I was thinking that any guide needs to cover:

options:

Infrastructure - e.g. VPS/bare metal at home ,

Applications - nextcloud, media server, home automation etc.

Middleware - identity/authentication/ reverse proxy, backup, email, Patching/updates , xdav and other support tools for mobile,

Networking - home network, subnets, vpn/tailscale, firewall, port forwarding, static ips., ipv6

@decended_being Do self hosting meetups exist in places like #london, #madrid or #barcelona ?

@decended_being Yeah … While I find forums can be really useful. just chatting and getting to know people feels more rewarding socially. maybe a #SelfHosting #meetup

@LordKitsuna @Toasted_Breakfast I wouldn’t recommend this as a starting point. Rather I would go down the route of starting to learn about VPNs and DMZs - Open ports on networks can end badly.

@net00 @Toasted_Breakfast Now you need to start getting some knowledge around routing and networking. Have a look at #Wireguard or #Tailscale to securely access your network remotely. Remember its a journey … you are going to learn things bit by bit.

@Hawk @Toasted_Breakfast I get where the thought is coming from - Playing around with a cheap #OpenWRT router can be a way of getting an idea of routing and networking. - They have a gui and config files you can edit directly. You can figure out things like a #firewall #portforwarding - That kind of thing.

@SharkStudios @Toasted_Breakfast If you are going RaspberryPI - Isn’t an SSD a better starting point for storage? - But the best is to work with what you have - the PC

@Toasted_Breakfast How aboit starting with something like #yunohost

@SelfhostedResearch Something I havent quite reconciled is that I would enjoy self hosting more of it came with more mutual connections woth others that self host. Its a activity that has a focus on self sufficiency but I think I would learn more and be better if I was doing it more socially.