• Alaknár@sopuli.xyz
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    15 days ago

    If Russia magically stopped existing before 2016, we’d still have Trump

    That’s because the campaign to get him, or someone like him, electable started in the 80s.

    That’s one of the things the West still can’t wrap its collective head around - russia doesn’t operate like western countries. Its long-term goals are not “how can we bring plumbing and indoor toilets to our citizens in the next 40 years”, but rather “how can we sow misinformation and discontent in the West to divide nations and cause them to tumble into chaos”.

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      15 days ago

      So the plot to get Trump elected started in the 80’s, under the Soviet Union? Lmao. Yeah, I’m sure they maintained that plot consistently through the entire collapse, through the massive changes in leadership structure and everything.

      At a certain point, this shit is just racist. I’m sorry, you can say, “I just hate the government, not the people,” but it you hate every government they’ve ever had, even when it’s gone through drastic, fundamental changes, then it’s not really about the government anymore, is it? It sounds like you’re trying to argue that the Russian people are inherently duplicitous and evil.

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        15 days ago

        So the plot to get Trump elected started in the 80’s, under the Soviet Union?

        Do you have a condition that prevents you from reading entire sentences? That’s not what I wrote.

        Yeah, I’m sure they maintained that plot consistently through the entire collapse, through the massive changes in leadership structure and everything.

        All those ops were done by the KGB. As far as they were concerned, the only changes the collapse brought were a rename to FSB, and one of their officers becoming the dictator. So, yes, the campaigns have continued without issues.

        At a certain point, this shit is just racist

        Can’t be racist towards a country.

        I’m sorry, you can say, “I just hate the government, not the people,” but it you hate every government they’ve ever had

        They had TWO governments in the last 40 years.

        fundamental changes

        LOL, that’s cute.

        It sounds like you’re trying to argue that the Russian people are inherently duplicitous and evil.

        I’m sure there are those that aren’t, but it’s a bit hard to find them these days. Just look at what’s happening in Ukraine. I’m also not seeing massive anti-Putin protests organised by those russians who fled to the west.

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        15 days ago

        It’s always funny how literally ALL ex-Soviet and USSR-satellite states are saying the exact same thing since the 90s, and the entire West goes “lol, don’t be dramatic”. And then russia does exactly what the West was warned about, and the West goes “huh, who could’ve seen that coming?”

        It’s tiring.