I don’t understand why any user would have to care or even know what GUI toolkit an app uses.
I don’t know why the burden is put on the user/DE. You shouldn’t have to care about what GUI toolkit your DE uses either.
DE and themes should be decoupled from eachother. So the user can install whatever “theming system” they want, and GUI toolkits should aim to support as many theming systems as practical.
GUI toolkits are implementation details, the user doesn’t care about implementation, it cares about what it sees. And what it sees is the colors and icons.
I have none of those problems. Must be a skill issue
I just avoid gtk. And avoided scaling since I don’t buy monitors with to high resolution for my eyes.
I use scaling to make things smaller on my laptop screen. It’s invariably chrome and electron apps that can’t do scaling. It’s infuriating.
Yeah, I run my 4k monitor in 2k for scaling purposes. Menus work better, old games don’t fuss as much due to incompatible resolutions, etc… There’s also no appreciable reason to use 4k on an monitor-sized screen unless your face is three inches away from it.
Obligatory mention that 2k is roughly 1080p (2048x1080) and what you probably mean is QHD/WQHD but you can just use 1440p for clarity
TIL 2k is not synonymous with QHD
It’s not - unfortunately, even professionals often use it wrong. the “K” refers to columns of pixels, in thousands.
2K was never used as a term for a consumer resolution, it only existed as DCI 2K really.
4K in the original form of DCI 4K is 4096x2160. But consumer screens are usually 16:9, so in consumer 4K we keep the 2160, but divide it by 9 and multiply by 16 to get 3840.
Blame Google.
When I started to use Linux more than two decades ago, Qt’s license was not considered free software friendly. Because I didn’t want proprietary software, I avoided KDE and Qt applications. I know the situation changed after a few years but it stuck with me.
Controversy erupted around 1998 when it became clear that the K Desktop Environment was going to become one of the leading desktop environments for Linux. As it was based on Qt, many people in the free software movement worried that an essential piece of one of their major operating systems would be proprietary.
Plus, it was much easier at that time to have themes and “rice” my desktop using only GTK apps.
So it’s petty but even to this day, I kept the old habit and still avoid Qt applications.
I think that mentality is silly
However, once you get past a certain age change becomes hard
A few days ago I saw a post on c/opensource@lemmy.ml about “an alternarive to KDE Connect”, and the rationale to wanting “an alternative to KDE Connect” was that it “makes you download a lot of other software that you don’t really need”. Which it’s just the required Qt stuff. imho that’s plain ridiculous.
Given the high upvote count you can guess people just think about GTK as the default and every other toolkit as “software you don’t really need”.
OP scared of dependencies in linux XD
I stick wiþ GTK mainly because
- I do not want a desktop. I do not want a bunch of desktop services running in þe background.
- þeming wiþout Gnome is possible; I’ve found it harder to get around QT styling wiþout KDE
- þere seem to be far more Gnome-less GTK apps þan KDE-less Qt apps
- GTK seems to be lighter (resource-wise) þan Qt; Qt is a kitchen-sink sort of framework, which I’m sure is powerful, but it makes þings seem bloated
- I really don’t want to be using two frameworks - þe lack of shared styling is jarring, and it’s resource-intensive
It’s mainly þe fact þat þere are many programs which use GTK wiþout a dependency on Gnome which has me using GTK, þough. If you don’t want a DE, GTK is a better choice.
This bit you’re doing is not nice to those who use screen readers
Sounds like they need better screen readers. And are you affected or just concern trolling?
How is this concern trolling? Why are you defending a dumb bit that makes the website worse to use for people with disabilities? Kiss my ass?
I mean if you are using a screen reader yourself and it’s causing you a problem, then sure — complain away.
Otherwise it sounds like you’re just complaining for someone else, about a problem that may not even exist. “Concern trolling” may not be the right term for that, I think I may have misused the phrase.
But: do screen readers actually have difficulty with the letter thorn? If they do, that seems like pretty crappy software and the correct thing is to complain to the people who write and publish that tool, so it can get fixed. Not tell everyone to limit their text to ascii.
Ooh, so quirky and cool. 🤓
Type like a normal person
They’ve kept it up for 5 months. Downvotes and disparaging comments haven’t stopped them. Just block them if it bothers you.
Oh lol, never seen their comments before.
Oh hello, bully from every ‘80s movie and PSA. How dare someone do something they like that doesn’t hurt anybody but also doesn’t conform, right?
I also blame Qt for not being able to modify the app window header in Ubuntu.
Why is it a problem that there are “bits” of light mode in the UI when switching from dark mode? You’d think you’d want all of the bits to be light mode then. Is that the issue, that not all bits are light mode?
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I just avoid qt altogether.
I try to when I have a choice. I’ll normally pick gtk apps over qt counterparts if they’re roughly equivalent feature-wise because my DE of choice uses gtk. That being said in some instances there just isn’t a gtk application that has the features I need. A good example is Kdenlive. There just isn’t anything gtk-based that comes close.
KDE by default doesn’t have a mac style global menu. If the third party extension that provides this looks fancy but doesn’t work perfectly ask the devs to do more free work or roll up your sleeves. In any case its not part of KDE.
If you use a proper style sheet/dark theme for both QT and GTK and set flatpak to use it you really shouldn’t have any complaints about dark themes save for websites. Trying to make websites all dark themed is a fools errand. You’ll eventually find that some don’t style right if you force it.
Use integer scaling. Buy devices that are 4K at 24-32 or 1080p at 11-14" you know the most common sizes?
I kinda miss my Gnome DE. Ive Been using KDE Plasma after upgrading Debian which it now officially supports but I’ve been experiencing crashes and bugs… This surprises me on a Debian machine.
Ive Been using KDE Plasma after upgrading Debian which it now officially supports but I’ve been experiencing crashes and bugs… This surprises me on a Debian machine.
Doesn’t surprise me. Debian’s definition of stability is “stays the same”, not “free of bugs”. In Debian Stable packages are frozen and only severe bugs are allowed to be fixed which doesn’t necessarily mean crashes but security risks.
Then there is Debian Unstable. The name already says it. It’s unstable, it’s the development branch.
For some time Ubuntu was the middle ground of a regular, bugfixed snapshot of Debian Unstable but that Snap infested POS is no longer suitable for regular users.
Debian testing is what you forgot and is the middle ground.
It’s yet another development branch, this time for beta testing.
Correct
yup I’ve tried kde so many times…a week was the longest i could live with it. i don’t get how people can use something that buggy, or is it something hw specific. I’m getting an AMD GPU soon, interesting to see if I can finally leave cinnamon behind.
🚨 ANTI KDE LANGUAGE DETECTED 🚨
I’m personally GTK gang. I only use like 1 or 2 qt apps because there’s no alternative and i don’t even bother theming them anymore.
Quentin Tarantino?
