He was elected as such but this doesn’t have enough information to lean one way or another.
The educated guess says it’s because he’s an American loving traitor.
But the increase in refugee claims from the US, and low deportation during the pandemic making it return to 2015 levels requires more journalistic work to give a story.
Why does it matter how vocal he is. It’s what he does that counts. So far, he has bent overy to ever American demand, and he intends to spend 3.8 billion buying jets from them. That money could’ve been invested in creating domestic industry through crown corps to build infrastructure and housing instead, which would’ve created a job boom here. Instead, he’s handing it over to a country that’s threatening to annex us.
Actively working to separate us from the US? He may be working to diversify on trade, but not on security policy, and the approach being taken for negotiations around the trade war is to frame us as a security ally instead of an economic competitor. We’ve ramped up military spending in accordance with US demands and the bills around border security, immigration and information sharing are moves to align us more closely with US national security policies.
We are actually positioning in ways very much aligned with US global security strategy. Our defence investments are in the Arctic, not our southern border. Our new international defence agreements heave been on two fronts, one forming a line against Russia from Ukraine through the Baltics and across the Arctic, and the other surrounding China. Our defense investment is totally in alignment with US strategy on burden sharing and demands that allies increase their investment in revitalizing their own defense industrial bases to shoulder more burden for coming wars.
Are we materially doing anything that indicates positioning to protect ourselves from the US in terms of security? The Gripens use American engines and the US can impose export bans on those if they want, and their advantages are in Arctic performance and for fighting Russia, not the US. To me, that all really just looks like it’s a domestic economic stimulus move that fits in with US continental security strategy while also working as stimulus for SAAB aligned with US demands that Europe reindustrialize their defence manufacturing capabilities.
Have we said anything on Venezuela? Nope. We rushed to stand behind Trump in Egypt to back the “ceasefire” plan legitimizing ethnic cleansing and we take no material actions against Israel. We don’t actually do anything to stand up against US violations of international law, and Carney himself penned an essay in The Economist that laid out how we’re moving away from universal multilateral institutions like the UN and going to a system where we essentially pay to play as part of American-led initiatives.
Of course, there’s also the AI investment from Microsoft and Evan Salomon backing Microsoft’s massive investment in AI data center development in Canada with the idea that this will power AI use in Canadian public service, and that Microsoft will operate a new cybersecurity initiative in Ottawa that will work with the Federal Government on that. Seems a lot more like deepening integration than independence imo.
Let’s see what 2026 brings, but so far I would say there are many actions that suggest we are actually deepening alignment with the US on security strategy even as we’re diversifying economically.
Why does it matter that the jet deal predates Trump. Americans cancelled a whole bunch of deals, why is it that Canada can’t reciprocate. He’s very obviously not working to separate us from the US in any meaningful way. It’s going to take effort like investing in domestic economy instead of trying to ramp up NATO spending to 5% of GDP while doing austerity. The lengths liberals will go to defend the incompetence of their party truly knows no bounds.
Because other countries need to know we keep our word.
That’s complete nonsense. First of all, I don’t know who these countries are. Second of all, all they learn is that Canada will bend over under pressure. This is not an arbitrary reneging on a deal, it’s a response to aggression by the other country. If you made a deal with somebody and they later came to your house to try to rob you, nobody would fault you for pulling out of doing deals with them. You really got a get a better narrative going there.
Examples? Pipeline to the Pacific and opening trade up with Europe suggests otherwise.
Ramming pipelines through indigenous land in a middle of the climate crisis while doubling down on trade with Europe where economies are now collapsing is not the kind of development that I’m looking for. As I already stated, I want to see development of Canadian industry, clean energy, infrastructure, housing, and healthcare. He’s doing none of that.
Where do you think most of that money is going to be spent? In Canada.
The actual question is WHAT that money will be spent on. Unlike you, I don’t care about Canadian oligarchs stuffing their coffers.
I’m no partisan, but I do think he was the best of the options available to us.
That’s a thought terminating cliche. Claiming you have to choose between two evils and there is absolutely nothing else people could be doing is precisely the sort of idiocy that got us where we are today. People could be protesting, organizing unions, doing general strikes, and taking real political action that affects business interests. Their profits going down is the only language they understand. Instead, we have people like you braying how we just have to vote harder.
You’ve moved the goalposts so far you’re in a different field. Nothing you’ve said, if we accept it as accurate, makes him an “America loving traitor”.
Digital services tax? A dumb law I’m glad to see gone.
Not outright rejecting buying the F35s? He’s buying time, stringing Trump along.
He also keeps trying to throw us under the bus by creating trade deals with the US.
He literally ran on that. He’s a traitor for doing what he was elected to do? What’s he supposed to do instead? Make a big performative show that will feel good but ultimately hurt the country?
Let’s take that angle actually. In your opinion, what should he have done differently? In order to not be a traitor I mean.
More like Carney is an actual conservative through and through.
He was elected as such but this doesn’t have enough information to lean one way or another.
The educated guess says it’s because he’s an American loving traitor.
But the increase in refugee claims from the US, and low deportation during the pandemic making it return to 2015 levels requires more journalistic work to give a story.
LOL. I think you might need a bit more education. Let me guess, he hasn’t been sufficiently vocally anti Trump in your mind?
Why does it matter how vocal he is. It’s what he does that counts. So far, he has bent overy to ever American demand, and he intends to spend 3.8 billion buying jets from them. That money could’ve been invested in creating domestic industry through crown corps to build infrastructure and housing instead, which would’ve created a job boom here. Instead, he’s handing it over to a country that’s threatening to annex us.
Ugh. So much for Elbows Up.
More like elbows down, ass up.
The jets predates Trump, and he’s slow rolling it exactly because he knows how mercurial Trump is.
He’s actively working to separate us from the US but we’ve been strongly integrated for generations, it’s going to take time.
I’m laughing at OP for being over the top and dramatic.
Actively working to separate us from the US? He may be working to diversify on trade, but not on security policy, and the approach being taken for negotiations around the trade war is to frame us as a security ally instead of an economic competitor. We’ve ramped up military spending in accordance with US demands and the bills around border security, immigration and information sharing are moves to align us more closely with US national security policies.
We are actually positioning in ways very much aligned with US global security strategy. Our defence investments are in the Arctic, not our southern border. Our new international defence agreements heave been on two fronts, one forming a line against Russia from Ukraine through the Baltics and across the Arctic, and the other surrounding China. Our defense investment is totally in alignment with US strategy on burden sharing and demands that allies increase their investment in revitalizing their own defense industrial bases to shoulder more burden for coming wars.
Are we materially doing anything that indicates positioning to protect ourselves from the US in terms of security? The Gripens use American engines and the US can impose export bans on those if they want, and their advantages are in Arctic performance and for fighting Russia, not the US. To me, that all really just looks like it’s a domestic economic stimulus move that fits in with US continental security strategy while also working as stimulus for SAAB aligned with US demands that Europe reindustrialize their defence manufacturing capabilities.
Have we said anything on Venezuela? Nope. We rushed to stand behind Trump in Egypt to back the “ceasefire” plan legitimizing ethnic cleansing and we take no material actions against Israel. We don’t actually do anything to stand up against US violations of international law, and Carney himself penned an essay in The Economist that laid out how we’re moving away from universal multilateral institutions like the UN and going to a system where we essentially pay to play as part of American-led initiatives.
Of course, there’s also the AI investment from Microsoft and Evan Salomon backing Microsoft’s massive investment in AI data center development in Canada with the idea that this will power AI use in Canadian public service, and that Microsoft will operate a new cybersecurity initiative in Ottawa that will work with the Federal Government on that. Seems a lot more like deepening integration than independence imo.
Let’s see what 2026 brings, but so far I would say there are many actions that suggest we are actually deepening alignment with the US on security strategy even as we’re diversifying economically.
Why does it matter that the jet deal predates Trump. Americans cancelled a whole bunch of deals, why is it that Canada can’t reciprocate. He’s very obviously not working to separate us from the US in any meaningful way. It’s going to take effort like investing in domestic economy instead of trying to ramp up NATO spending to 5% of GDP while doing austerity. The lengths liberals will go to defend the incompetence of their party truly knows no bounds.
Because other countries need to know we keep our word.
Examples? Pipeline to the Pacific and opening trade up with Europe suggests otherwise.
Where do you think most of that money is going to be spent? In Canada.
I’m no partisan, but I do think he was the best of the options available to us.
That’s complete nonsense. First of all, I don’t know who these countries are. Second of all, all they learn is that Canada will bend over under pressure. This is not an arbitrary reneging on a deal, it’s a response to aggression by the other country. If you made a deal with somebody and they later came to your house to try to rob you, nobody would fault you for pulling out of doing deals with them. You really got a get a better narrative going there.
Ramming pipelines through indigenous land in a middle of the climate crisis while doubling down on trade with Europe where economies are now collapsing is not the kind of development that I’m looking for. As I already stated, I want to see development of Canadian industry, clean energy, infrastructure, housing, and healthcare. He’s doing none of that.
The actual question is WHAT that money will be spent on. Unlike you, I don’t care about Canadian oligarchs stuffing their coffers.
That’s a thought terminating cliche. Claiming you have to choose between two evils and there is absolutely nothing else people could be doing is precisely the sort of idiocy that got us where we are today. People could be protesting, organizing unions, doing general strikes, and taking real political action that affects business interests. Their profits going down is the only language they understand. Instead, we have people like you braying how we just have to vote harder.
You’ve moved the goalposts so far you’re in a different field. Nothing you’ve said, if we accept it as accurate, makes him an “America loving traitor”.
He’s been very pro Trump.
He also keeps trying to throw us under the bus by creating trade deals with the US.
Since you gave no actual reasons I’ll speculate.
Digital services tax? A dumb law I’m glad to see gone.
Not outright rejecting buying the F35s? He’s buying time, stringing Trump along.
He literally ran on that. He’s a traitor for doing what he was elected to do? What’s he supposed to do instead? Make a big performative show that will feel good but ultimately hurt the country?
Let’s take that angle actually. In your opinion, what should he have done differently? In order to not be a traitor I mean.
This only hurts us.
He was elected to trade with anyone other than the Americans. The only time he lucked into this was an Ontario ad.
He’s not punishing anyone that does business with the US. That alone is worth resigning over.
Trump has entered our country and we didn’t arrest him.
Maybe I’m unaware of the hostile actions he’s taken with the US but I can’t see how anyone can call him anything other than an American sympathizer.
Dude. Boobies is a conservative trying to #bothsides a liberal while the Dems are down and out.
Just step around it and move on.