Situation intensifies as Beijing condemns tanker seizures and US security chief calls to remove Nicolas Maduro from power.
Archived version: https://archive.is/20251223000937/https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3337400/china-says-us-broke-international-law-seizing-venezuelan-oil-tankers
Disclaimer: The article linked is from a single source with a single perspective. Make sure to cross-check information against multiple sources to get a comprehensive view on the situation.
Oh, now they suddenly care about international law?
Lol! smh.
They learned it from the west
To care for it or not to care? Because the latter is a weird thing to say in reply to someone who thinks they never cared for it in the first place
Explain which international laws China has broken in the last 5 years.
I will wait.
Their entire “claim” to the South China Sea, which completely disregards both international and maritime law. You can’t lay claim to international waters…but try telling China that. They regularly harass and even attack boats from neighboring countries, that are operating within their own coastal economic zones.
Don’t get me wrong…I’m not defending the US in any way…but China is the last country with any credible right to criticize other countries for playing fast and loose with maritime laws.
The usa and it’s allies are financing the genocides in sudan and palestine
Cool. What does that have to do with China claiming to own international waters?
We were talking about international laws in general. What’s worse than genocides of the scale of Gaza and Sudan?
The most brutal blockades are also by the USA’s allies. The UAE backing the RSF, who have a blockade on controlled cities, the blockade in Cuba by the USA, and the blockade by Israel in Gaza are the two longest blockades currently in place.
80% of Gaza’s children report living with depression, grief, and fear. More than half of Gaza’s children have contemplated suicide. That’s before 2023
China is also committing a lot of abuses but not at the USA and its ally level.
Israel kidnap and attack fishman on palestinians water too
That’s a whole lot of whataboutism to deflect from the point I was making.
To be clear…as I said previously…I’m not defending the US.
I’m just pointing out how ridiculous it is that China is calling them out. The fact that Russia is saying it too, is equally hilarious. It’s like watching a bunch of career criminals all calling each other crooks. It’s about as disingenuous as it gets.
It’s not whataboutism . You said China is worse than the usa is not respecting international laws and maritime laws. I gave you all the evidence of why I think the usa ia worth.
Yes it is hilarious when China and Russia claim to care about inteenational laws but it is even more hilarious when the USA and it’s ally claim it. Like canada claiming to want a two state solution in Gaza at the same time allowing selling of occupied land in Synaguoges and allowing an IDF soldier to talk in an University
I never said China was worse…only that they’re also violating the very same laws they’re criticizing the US for violating. If the hypocrisy wasn’t so on-the-nose, I wouldn’t have said anything…but this is just laughable.
This is your original comment. The point you were making is LITERALLY whataboutism.
The US is factually violating international law. China called them out. You said “but what about China violating international law”.
It doesn’t get much more whataboutism than that. So let me continue you the trend here.
You think the commenter you were replying to is doing a whataboutism? What about your whataboutism?!
I don’t think you know what “whataboutism” means, then. It’s when you deflect to something unrelated, instead of focusing on the topic in question. In this case, the topic in question was LITERALLY China accusing the US of violating international law, specifically in regards to maritime law.
There is no better irony, than China…who is currently violating international law, specifically in regards to maritime law…criticizing the US for doing exactly the same thing. See, how I didn’t change the subject? It was LITERALLY the subject already.
Pointing out someone’s hypocrisy isn’t whataboutism, if the subject is the same. Otherwise the entire concept of calling out hypocrisy would be considered a logical fallacy. It’s only whataboutism, if you are bringing up unrelated topics in order to change the subject.
Attack how? With munitions? Like they attack them with lethal force? That kind of attack?
Were maritime laws created with China involved or were they created by the Western Europeans who invaded China by sea and occupied their port cities for a century?
By ramming fishing boats with military vessels.
And are you saying that China can just pick and choose which international laws it follows and which ones it doesn’t? “Oh, we didn’t agree to that one…so it doesn’t apply to us.”
well…yes, that is literally how it’s always worked. the UN/ICC/whatever other international security org is a joke, none of the rules apply to it’s biggest nations unless it’s citizens have the agency/willingness to hold their own accountable
No, I am saying the West has been weaponizing international law for centuries. The Doctrine of Discovery was international law in that it was a decree that courts in multiple nation relied on to justify genocide, slavery, and land dispossession. The US has established that it will subvert all social institutions up to and including training, arming, and transporting terrorists. It has also demonstrated that it has every intention of establishing a dominant presence encircling both China and Russia in the USA’s insane quest to undermine MAD and win a nuclear war with a first strike decapitation. China is asserting its control over a specific region of the seas that are a national security priority given the US’s constant beligerence. To say that China may not have such a presence and may not declare the region militarized due to internation law is the same thing as saying Biden can’t do anything about Trump because he lacked the necessary legal procedures to do so. China is establishing it’s national security boundary as its military assessment sees fit given the threat of the US surrounding it. I am not going lose sleep over China breaking international law about freedom of navigation in the waters nearest it’s territory when the US is destroying a dozen countries at any given time.
That was a whole lot of words to say “USA bad for ignoring international law…but China good for ignoring it”.
China’s not good for ignoring it. China is violating international law in its attempt to establish its national security against the constant threats by the US and its allies.
The US violates international law to steal oil, traffick human slave, drugs, and weapons, train and arm terrorists, dump toxic waste in poor countries that can’t defend themselves, and bomb whoever the fuck even thinks about running their own country.
These are not the same violations of international law.
It’s like saying that guy violated the law when he pulled an illegal uturn while you’re standing there with a rifle and 12 bodies at your feet.
Oh, so what China is doing is “bad”…but they’re doing it for “good reasons”? I find it hard to believe that you don’t see how disingenuous that argument is.
Americans have been hiding behind their own sense.of exceptionalism to justify all kinds of bad behavior. Small transgressions. Large ones. Doesn’t matter. They have an excuse for all of it, because they think the rules don’t apply to them. They think that because “(insert excuse here)”, they have the right to ignore them.
All you’re doing is making the same arguments that they do…you’re just doing it for China instead of the US, and acting like it’s SO different when China does it, because the US did it worse. It’s not a valid argument.
“Explain what international law they broke!”
“Well these”
“Those don’t count”
Lol
You know what they’ve been doing to Philippine vessels, right?
And then there’s the laws against compromising another country’s telephone system.
And a whole bunch of other laws. Essentially, if the US has broken an international law in the past 5 years, China has broken it in a less aggressive manner as a response.
And then of course there’s the illegal police stations in other countries and their treatment of Uyghurs at home.
Thing is, China has been very careful to break international law in ways that other countries of power are also doing, mostly the US.
That still doesn’t make it right.
So what you’re saying is that China refuses to let international law be used in a way that allows the US to operate with complete impunity while the US romps around doing things that threaten others? Sounds like a pretty solid policy, honestly.