Spoiler alert - a lack of knowledge doesn’t create bigots. Reactionary propaganda creates bigots.
The idea that bigots are bigots due to being “uneducated” is just another liberal myth designed to hide the origins of the bigotry that protects their precious status quo.
Not what I am referring to with the title. The title is in reference to the fact that they use something they are uneducated about as their tool for hatred.
No no, I think communism would be far better than capitalism, and I don’t think I have anything to fear from a system that makes us equal and caters to our basic needs, but I have no idea how it would turn people kind and thoughtful instead of bigoted. You seem to think it will fix every wrong in the world. Do please explain why or how it changes the people rather than their circumstances.
So, let me get this straight… you are claiming to not understand how not spoonfeeding people reactionary propaganda from birth might have a dramatic effect on said people’s bigotry?
The idea that bigots are bigots due to being “uneducated” is just another liberal myth designed to hide the origins of the bigotry that protects their precious status quo.
Not all uneducated people are bigots. But all bigots are uneducated.
Ah yes, tell me more about how liberalism creates conservatism and follow it up with how authoritarianism creates personal freedom. Bonus points for sneaking in why modem day Russia and China are such great places for LGBT+ folk, or why Hillary and Kamala are responsible for all of Donald J. Trump’s crimes and how if we can just destroy the Democratic Party we will finally prevent a Republican presidency. While you’re at it, remind me how it was that Ukraine forced Russia to invade it.
Ah yes, tell me more about how liberalism creates conservatism
I take it that, in the year of Our Lord 2025, the by-now blatantly obvious relationship between liberalism and fascism is still a complete mystery to you?
That’s not an explanation AT ALL, that’s just belittling me for not believing the same things as you, making out that in stupid. It’s not a great way to win converts to your cause.
I’m familiar with people on Lemmy arguing that somehow electing Kamala Harris brings about fascism, and yet, entirely as predicted (by anyone who has at least one foot in the real world), not electing Kamala Harris has Trump enacting the fascist agenda for America, as published well in advance by project 2025.
I find it quite staggering that you can calmly write this kind of crap here on the internet while our brothers and sisters in America are locked up for having the wrong ethnicity. By Kamala? No! By Trump!
So yeah, the challenge to explain how Kamala is responsible for the crimes of Trump was completely failed, and you didn’t even attempt any of the other ones.
somehow electing Kamala Harris brings about fascism,
So, again… I’ll just assume that, in the year of Our Lord 2025, the by-now blatantly obvious relationship between liberalism and fascism is still a complete mystery to you?
while our brothers and sisters in America are locked up for having the wrong ethnicity. By Kamala?
Are you talking about the pig, Kamala Harris? Who made a name for herself in politics LITERALLY LOCKING PEOPLE UP.
You know… doing the dirty, filthy work of repressing the poor that the capitalists (and their liberal pet politicians) won’t soil their hands doing themselves?
Well what I see from the other side of the Atlantic is that the Democratic Party largely see themselves as left of centre or centre in America, are right of centre by European standards, apart from a handful of progressives who come across as centre from where I’m sat.
They’ve had a couple of years in the last few decades where the Republicans weren’t able to block them, during which, instead of universal socialised healthcare they implemented a bunch of subsidies that perpetuate the harmful profit motive in the healthcare industry so that the government is spending roughly the same per capita as socialised healthcare costs in the UK, but the bat majority of Americans are spending the same amount themselves and some are selling their homes to provide cancer car for their parents.
The rest of government is captured by the very right wing Republican party, who are responsible in my view for some of the worst excesses of capitalism around the world.
Like you, I blame the Democratic party for not having a more left wing agenda and not using what little power they’ve had to make things better for the American people, but unlike you, I don’t blame them for the actions of their opponents, the Republicans.
Well what I see from the other side of the Atlantic is that the Democratic Party largely see themselves as left of centr
Liberalism is, always has been and always will be, a right-wing ideology. There has never been anything “leftist” about it in any way whatsoever.
No ifs.
No ands.
No buts.
Are we clear on this?
Like you, I blame the Democratic party for not having a more left wing agenda
Why would I blame a political party - who, like all political parties, only exist to concentrate political power in the hands of an elite - for not doing that which they were never designed to do?
I might just as well blame a train for not stopping at the moon.
The rest of government is captured by the very right wing Republican party,
“Captured,” you say? The US government was created by elites for elites… so how exactly can elites “capture” something that was only ever intended to serve them?
Well what I see from the other side of the Atlantic is that the Democratic Party largely see themselves as left of centr
Liberalism is, always has been and always will be, a right-wing ideology.
Are we clear on this?
Well, I suspect that any lack of clarity there was due to you cutting off the end of the sentence, which said
e or centre in America, are right of centre by European standards
Now you go on to claim that you would never blame a political party for not having a more left wing agenda, but it seems to me that I started off by sarcastically challenging you to explain how Kamala is responsible for Trump’s fascism and here you are, having belittled me for not understanding the tenets of your political bible in detail “the relationship” between them, but now you not only don’t blame the liberals for fascism, you don’t even blame them for liberalism.
Either you’ve been so busy disagreeing with me that you’ve lost your way and contradicted yourself, which suggests you’re just trolling, or you lack the ability for consistent rational thought, which I doubt, or you’re really bad at explaining your viewpoint, which I believe to be the appears diagnosis.
So I reverse your challenge: are you seriously telling me that in the year of our Lord 2025, over 170 years after the communist manifesto was piblished in plain English, a dbzer0 user is unable to explain how liberalism causes fascism to the uninitiated and can only resort to slagging off .world users for not already understanding the thing they repeatedly swerve explaining?
Liberalism is, always has been and always will be, a right-wing ideology.
…you are not clear on this?
If you are unwilling and/or incapable of acknowledging that which has been blatantly obvious for more than a hundred years now what is the point of taking this conversation further?
My energy would be better spent arguing with a flat-earther.
Spoiler alert - a lack of knowledge doesn’t create bigots. Reactionary propaganda creates bigots.
The idea that bigots are bigots due to being “uneducated” is just another liberal myth designed to hide the origins of the bigotry that protects their precious status quo.
Not what I am referring to with the title. The title is in reference to the fact that they use something they are uneducated about as their tool for hatred.
FTFY. Bigotry requires education - an education presided over by reactionary actors intent on protecting the status quo.
how do you think bigotry should be solved under socialism/communism (mostly)?
Not spending vast amounts of treasure and energy to create them in the first place seems like a logical first step to me.
Communism will make everyone kind and unbigoted?
Just say you prefer bigotry because it protects your privilege and be done with it.
No no, I think communism would be far better than capitalism, and I don’t think I have anything to fear from a system that makes us equal and caters to our basic needs, but I have no idea how it would turn people kind and thoughtful instead of bigoted. You seem to think it will fix every wrong in the world. Do please explain why or how it changes the people rather than their circumstances.
So, let me get this straight… you are claiming to not understand how not spoonfeeding people reactionary propaganda from birth might have a dramatic effect on said people’s bigotry?
Not all uneducated people are bigots. But all bigots are uneducated.
Ah yes, tell me more about how liberalism creates conservatism and follow it up with how authoritarianism creates personal freedom. Bonus points for sneaking in why modem day Russia and China are such great places for LGBT+ folk, or why Hillary and Kamala are responsible for all of Donald J. Trump’s crimes and how if we can just destroy the Democratic Party we will finally prevent a Republican presidency. While you’re at it, remind me how it was that Ukraine forced Russia to invade it.
I take it that, in the year of Our Lord 2025, the by-now blatantly obvious relationship between liberalism and fascism is still a complete mystery to you?
That’s not an explanation AT ALL, that’s just belittling me for not believing the same things as you, making out that in stupid. It’s not a great way to win converts to your cause.
I’m familiar with people on Lemmy arguing that somehow electing Kamala Harris brings about fascism, and yet, entirely as predicted (by anyone who has at least one foot in the real world), not electing Kamala Harris has Trump enacting the fascist agenda for America, as published well in advance by project 2025.
I find it quite staggering that you can calmly write this kind of crap here on the internet while our brothers and sisters in America are locked up for having the wrong ethnicity. By Kamala? No! By Trump!
So yeah, the challenge to explain how Kamala is responsible for the crimes of Trump was completely failed, and you didn’t even attempt any of the other ones.
Gee… figured that out all by yourself, eh?
So, again… I’ll just assume that, in the year of Our Lord 2025, the by-now blatantly obvious relationship between liberalism and fascism is still a complete mystery to you?
Are you talking about the pig, Kamala Harris? Who made a name for herself in politics LITERALLY LOCKING PEOPLE UP.
You know… doing the dirty, filthy work of repressing the poor that the capitalists (and their liberal pet politicians) won’t soil their hands doing themselves?
Gee… I wonder if we have a word for that.
Well what I see from the other side of the Atlantic is that the Democratic Party largely see themselves as left of centre or centre in America, are right of centre by European standards, apart from a handful of progressives who come across as centre from where I’m sat.
They’ve had a couple of years in the last few decades where the Republicans weren’t able to block them, during which, instead of universal socialised healthcare they implemented a bunch of subsidies that perpetuate the harmful profit motive in the healthcare industry so that the government is spending roughly the same per capita as socialised healthcare costs in the UK, but the bat majority of Americans are spending the same amount themselves and some are selling their homes to provide cancer car for their parents.
The rest of government is captured by the very right wing Republican party, who are responsible in my view for some of the worst excesses of capitalism around the world.
Like you, I blame the Democratic party for not having a more left wing agenda and not using what little power they’ve had to make things better for the American people, but unlike you, I don’t blame them for the actions of their opponents, the Republicans.
Liberalism is, always has been and always will be, a right-wing ideology. There has never been anything “leftist” about it in any way whatsoever.
No ifs.
No ands.
No buts.
Are we clear on this?
Why would I blame a political party - who, like all political parties, only exist to concentrate political power in the hands of an elite - for not doing that which they were never designed to do?
I might just as well blame a train for not stopping at the moon.
“Captured,” you say? The US government was created by elites for elites… so how exactly can elites “capture” something that was only ever intended to serve them?
Well, I suspect that any lack of clarity there was due to you cutting off the end of the sentence, which said
Now you go on to claim that you would never blame a political party for not having a more left wing agenda, but it seems to me that I started off by sarcastically challenging you to explain how Kamala is responsible for Trump’s fascism and here you are, having belittled me for not understanding the tenets of your political bible in detail “the relationship” between them, but now you not only don’t blame the liberals for fascism, you don’t even blame them for liberalism.
Either you’ve been so busy disagreeing with me that you’ve lost your way and contradicted yourself, which suggests you’re just trolling, or you lack the ability for consistent rational thought, which I doubt, or you’re really bad at explaining your viewpoint, which I believe to be the appears diagnosis.
So I reverse your challenge: are you seriously telling me that in the year of our Lord 2025, over 170 years after the communist manifesto was piblished in plain English, a dbzer0 user is unable to explain how liberalism causes fascism to the uninitiated and can only resort to slagging off .world users for not already understanding the thing they repeatedly swerve explaining?
So…
…you are not clear on this?
If you are unwilling and/or incapable of acknowledging that which has been blatantly obvious for more than a hundred years now what is the point of taking this conversation further?
My energy would be better spent arguing with a flat-earther.
Yeah yeah yeah, before capitalism there was no bigotry, we get it.