This reaches a level of poetic justice that I don’t recall seeing since Herman Cain got an award named after himself, and I’m not sorry about that at all.
I read your comments in this chain and I understand where you’re coming from. We are supposed to be better but it doesn’t feel like that’s gotten me (us?) anywhere. Moral victories mean nothing when my enemy doesn’t have any. This guy was taking money to create propaganda around school shootings being acceptable bc it meant the 2nd Amendment was being upheld.
This guy was literally downplaying gun violence with his left hand and trying to blame trans and black people with his right hand when he got gun violenced. It’s the kind of situational irony that only satirical writers could imagine.
Yeah, it’s tragic, brutal, and no one inherently deserves it. But I’m 100% going to take the minute amount of catharsis this situation brought me and I won’t deny it to others.
Idk why you’re getting downvoted. Violence shouldn’t be celebrated. Kirk was a piece of shit, but celebrating the assassination just poses it as a solution.
Because a lot of y’all have been condemning us for not collectively pretending the guy was a saint. Most of us never even celebrated, we just don’t feel sad with one less nazi in the world. Too cold? Think of how many of our people have been brutalized thanks to the rhetoric he promoted until his dying breath. There’s still LYNCHINGS ffs. But you don’t care about that.
Say what you will, but we are the lgood guys, we’re supposed to be about compassion and caring for our fellow humans. Don’t let your anger get in the way of your humanity.
Does that care extend to the people who were victimized and made to feel unsafe by him? Because when this happened a lot of liberals came out to condemn people for “celebrating” (which we didn’t do) rather than ask why so many marginalized people didn’t feel like grieving. We’re not gonna give respect to someone who spent his entire political career dehumanizing us.
Of course care the care is entirely for he people he harmed or convinced his views were even reasonably sane. Who said we should grieve his death or show respect? Taking joy in the death of another person is a different animal altogether. Also, this feels an awful lot like celebrating his death.
I don’t feel joy or whatever, but I don’t think it’s a big deal if people do. Hell, I’d have celebrated Hitler dying, so to me it’s a matter of where you draw the line. Drawing the line where a nazi deserves respect is silly imo.
All that said, again, the vast majority of people didn’t celebrate, we just refused to say we feel sad, because we don’t.
I’m not suggesting you should feel sad. I know that lemme is an echo chamber of far left beliefs and I’m as liberal as a person can be, but I feel like we’ve lost the plot in some ways. I want peaceful protests. Call me hippie or pacifist, but I abhor violence no matter where it comes from.
I do too, if the capitalists will give up when we’re peaceful then so be it. If not, remember you’re not the one paying the biggest price to keep this machine running. It’s not you who’s been taken off the streets and sent to a foreign prison by ice, it’s not you whose country is collapsing under massive US sanctions, or being bombed by a military power for natural resources. I’m privileged enough to live a comfortable life in my own country, but every single day I’m committed to end the suffering of all people here and abroad, because they didn’t choose to wake up in this system. Again, my wish is for the monsters to peacefully capitulate. But seeing past behaviors we both know that won’t happen, right?
I’m not saying that he wasn’t killed by the same sword he advocated, but to revel in it? Thats something entirely different. To be clear, I think he was a piece of shit, but making a joke of murder isn’t the way.
You can believe that if you want but I am not a moral objectivist. There is no “way” and I don’t think he deserves our respect even in death. I’m not particularly bothered if it looks bad either.
I don’t know why everyone here thinks I’m defending him or showing him respect in any way. All I’m trying to convey is that is that celebrating violence isn’t the path we should choose.
I wasn’t trying to suggest you were defending him and I apologize if it came off that way. My point was mainly that, while celebrating violence isn’t a good look in polite society, it isn’t morally abjectionable in an objective way and I won’t fault people for it. Just as I wouldn’t criticize a rape victim for celebrating their abusors death. While not as direct or severe as rape (hopefully), many people on this site were victimized by his rhetoric. Even if they weren’t directly, maybe someone they loved was.
To add to this, I also think that the reason so many of us in the west abhor this behavior is because we have state sanctioned and state monopolized violence. It is acceptable to celebrate this violence because it is done under the authority of the state, they are allowed to be violent to us and to foreign peoples and we are allowed to celebrate that. Many of us do because that violence is beneficial to them. People celebrate police and military violence all the time. What’s horrifying, what we are taught to be horrified by, is violence done by us against the interest of the state. This cannot be acceptably celebrated. Maybe we shouldn’t let it be so scary to us. Maybe that mentality is incredibly beneficial to the people who control our lives.
Violence is a tool, it isn’t good or evil. Sometimes violence is deeply liberating and I think it’s okay to celebrate that. Independance days are a very common holiday and many of them were won through violence.
As an aside though, I do condemn the murder of charlie kirk. Not because it was violent and murder but because it was adventurism and deeply irresponsible. Individual acts of violence like this, while gratifying, have proven to be detrimental to liberatory movments.
“man”, “someone”? Why are you acting like that was a person? It was a fascist. Fascists don’t have any rights, and are no better than a cockroach in the walls. It’s our American duty to exterminate them indiscriminately.
Guarantee you don’t spend anywhere near as much effort defending minorities, LGBTQ, or gun violence victims as you do white christo-nationalist terrorism advocates. Wonder why that might be.
Fuck off, you nazi defending piece of human garbage. Charlie Kirk deserved what he got and the only unfortunate parts about his death are how fast and painless it was, and that he isn’t around to see how quickly his nazi wife took his money and ran off to start fucking a dude with a fetish for duvet covers
The fuck? I’m a staunch ally of our LGBTQ, black, gun violence survivors. I’m not defending him in any way. I’m saying that we can oppose all of his beliefs and still decry the glorification of violence. Read what you wrote. Because he was a terrible person he deserved not only to be killed, but to be killed slowly? I don’t know how some morals get skewed, but I’ll die on this hill. Our best freedom fighters led by non violent protests and i fully intend on carrying on that tradition.
“I’m a staunch ally of Kirk’s abuse victims. I just also happen to believe that Kirk deserved a long safe life without violence so that he could effectively develop the propaganda justifying their genocide!”
At worst, you’re a fascist agitator trying to stir the pot in a leftist space for entertainment. At best, you’re a whiny limp-dick centrist who will throw anyone under the bus to make yourself look like some holier than thou moralist. Either way you’re enabling the regime and I’d mourn your death about as much as I do Kirk’s
I’m not going to presume to know what a black man assassinated by white supremacists would think about his people still being murdered and treated as second class citizens for the color of their skin, and resurgence of racism in America just shy of 60 years after his tragic killing. Though I’d have to think he’d be appalled at how controversial it is to call for a swift end to those perpetrating it.
What I do know is Kirk is quoted saying that black people had unsufficent brain power to hold positions of leadership in society and that the civil rights movement was a mistake.
The fact that you think both of these people and their viewpoints deserve equal defense and respect says a lot more about you than it does me.
Yo, this isn’t cool. Despise the man for his views, but making a joke out of someone getting brutally murdered? Be better.
This reaches a level of poetic justice that I don’t recall seeing since Herman Cain got an award named after himself, and I’m not sorry about that at all.
I read your comments in this chain and I understand where you’re coming from. We are supposed to be better but it doesn’t feel like that’s gotten me (us?) anywhere. Moral victories mean nothing when my enemy doesn’t have any. This guy was taking money to create propaganda around school shootings being acceptable bc it meant the 2nd Amendment was being upheld.
This guy was literally downplaying gun violence with his left hand and trying to blame trans and black people with his right hand when he got gun violenced. It’s the kind of situational irony that only satirical writers could imagine.
Yeah, it’s tragic, brutal, and no one inherently deserves it. But I’m 100% going to take the minute amount of catharsis this situation brought me and I won’t deny it to others.
Buddy, TP USA material is now entering school curricula. The damage is continuing, hard.
This is extremely cool, go cry about it
Idk why you’re getting downvoted. Violence shouldn’t be celebrated. Kirk was a piece of shit, but celebrating the assassination just poses it as a solution.
Grotesque comment section.
Because a lot of y’all have been condemning us for not collectively pretending the guy was a saint. Most of us never even celebrated, we just don’t feel sad with one less nazi in the world. Too cold? Think of how many of our people have been brutalized thanks to the rhetoric he promoted until his dying breath. There’s still LYNCHINGS ffs. But you don’t care about that.
brutally is a funny way of spelling hilariously
it was brutally hilarious
Nah. Fuck that idiot.
Say what you will, but we are the lgood guys, we’re supposed to be about compassion and caring for our fellow humans. Don’t let your anger get in the way of your humanity.
You always this condescending?
Does that care extend to the people who were victimized and made to feel unsafe by him? Because when this happened a lot of liberals came out to condemn people for “celebrating” (which we didn’t do) rather than ask why so many marginalized people didn’t feel like grieving. We’re not gonna give respect to someone who spent his entire political career dehumanizing us.
Of course care the care is entirely for he people he harmed or convinced his views were even reasonably sane. Who said we should grieve his death or show respect? Taking joy in the death of another person is a different animal altogether. Also, this feels an awful lot like celebrating his death.
I don’t feel joy or whatever, but I don’t think it’s a big deal if people do. Hell, I’d have celebrated Hitler dying, so to me it’s a matter of where you draw the line. Drawing the line where a nazi deserves respect is silly imo.
All that said, again, the vast majority of people didn’t celebrate, we just refused to say we feel sad, because we don’t.
I’m not suggesting you should feel sad. I know that lemme is an echo chamber of far left beliefs and I’m as liberal as a person can be, but I feel like we’ve lost the plot in some ways. I want peaceful protests. Call me hippie or pacifist, but I abhor violence no matter where it comes from.
Lmao, shitlib. Get out.
I do too, if the capitalists will give up when we’re peaceful then so be it. If not, remember you’re not the one paying the biggest price to keep this machine running. It’s not you who’s been taken off the streets and sent to a foreign prison by ice, it’s not you whose country is collapsing under massive US sanctions, or being bombed by a military power for natural resources. I’m privileged enough to live a comfortable life in my own country, but every single day I’m committed to end the suffering of all people here and abroad, because they didn’t choose to wake up in this system. Again, my wish is for the monsters to peacefully capitulate. But seeing past behaviors we both know that won’t happen, right?
Advocating for the death of your enemies and crying over them getting killed are two separate things.
He lived to enable the violence that killed him. He gave his life to it. He joked about people’s death. If anyone deserves this, he does.
I’m not saying that he wasn’t killed by the same sword he advocated, but to revel in it? Thats something entirely different. To be clear, I think he was a piece of shit, but making a joke of murder isn’t the way.
You can believe that if you want but I am not a moral objectivist. There is no “way” and I don’t think he deserves our respect even in death. I’m not particularly bothered if it looks bad either.
I don’t know why everyone here thinks I’m defending him or showing him respect in any way. All I’m trying to convey is that is that celebrating violence isn’t the path we should choose.
I wasn’t trying to suggest you were defending him and I apologize if it came off that way. My point was mainly that, while celebrating violence isn’t a good look in polite society, it isn’t morally abjectionable in an objective way and I won’t fault people for it. Just as I wouldn’t criticize a rape victim for celebrating their abusors death. While not as direct or severe as rape (hopefully), many people on this site were victimized by his rhetoric. Even if they weren’t directly, maybe someone they loved was.
To add to this, I also think that the reason so many of us in the west abhor this behavior is because we have state sanctioned and state monopolized violence. It is acceptable to celebrate this violence because it is done under the authority of the state, they are allowed to be violent to us and to foreign peoples and we are allowed to celebrate that. Many of us do because that violence is beneficial to them. People celebrate police and military violence all the time. What’s horrifying, what we are taught to be horrified by, is violence done by us against the interest of the state. This cannot be acceptably celebrated. Maybe we shouldn’t let it be so scary to us. Maybe that mentality is incredibly beneficial to the people who control our lives.
Violence is a tool, it isn’t good or evil. Sometimes violence is deeply liberating and I think it’s okay to celebrate that. Independance days are a very common holiday and many of them were won through violence.
As an aside though, I do condemn the murder of charlie kirk. Not because it was violent and murder but because it was adventurism and deeply irresponsible. Individual acts of violence like this, while gratifying, have proven to be detrimental to liberatory movments.
I hope this helps you understand my perspective
“man”, “someone”? Why are you acting like that was a person? It was a fascist. Fascists don’t have any rights, and are no better than a cockroach in the walls. It’s our American duty to exterminate them indiscriminately.
Guarantee you don’t spend anywhere near as much effort defending minorities, LGBTQ, or gun violence victims as you do white christo-nationalist terrorism advocates. Wonder why that might be.
Fuck off, you nazi defending piece of human garbage. Charlie Kirk deserved what he got and the only unfortunate parts about his death are how fast and painless it was, and that he isn’t around to see how quickly his nazi wife took his money and ran off to start fucking a dude with a fetish for duvet covers
They are your typical liberal who will reveal their fascist inner self if you scratch deep enough.
Him realizing he had been Charlie Cuck the whole time before getting shot by a Republican would have been a nasty combo.
The fuck? I’m a staunch ally of our LGBTQ, black, gun violence survivors. I’m not defending him in any way. I’m saying that we can oppose all of his beliefs and still decry the glorification of violence. Read what you wrote. Because he was a terrible person he deserved not only to be killed, but to be killed slowly? I don’t know how some morals get skewed, but I’ll die on this hill. Our best freedom fighters led by non violent protests and i fully intend on carrying on that tradition.
“I’m a staunch ally of Kirk’s abuse victims. I just also happen to believe that Kirk deserved a long safe life without violence so that he could effectively develop the propaganda justifying their genocide!”
At worst, you’re a fascist agitator trying to stir the pot in a leftist space for entertainment. At best, you’re a whiny limp-dick centrist who will throw anyone under the bus to make yourself look like some holier than thou moralist. Either way you’re enabling the regime and I’d mourn your death about as much as I do Kirk’s
Would you also consider Martin Luther King Jr. to be a whiny limp-dick centrist for believing in nonviolence?
I’m not going to presume to know what a black man assassinated by white supremacists would think about his people still being murdered and treated as second class citizens for the color of their skin, and resurgence of racism in America just shy of 60 years after his tragic killing. Though I’d have to think he’d be appalled at how controversial it is to call for a swift end to those perpetrating it.
What I do know is Kirk is quoted saying that black people had unsufficent brain power to hold positions of leadership in society and that the civil rights movement was a mistake.
The fact that you think both of these people and their viewpoints deserve equal defense and respect says a lot more about you than it does me.
No, it’s great. I’d even suggest projecting it onto the side of his wife and vance’s bedroom.
I care more about an ant being squished than I ever will a dead fash. At least the ants are innocent lives.