Somehow I’m sure just from your comments that I wouldn’t consider most anything that you listen to ‘good’, and I’ve heard lots of musics in my life. And I certainly wouldn’t turn down good music just because it’s old or simpler than other music.
Krudler is coming at it like music is a zero sum game, which is silly. I love the Ramones. I also love more innovative, complex music, as well as plenty of vapid garbage. I’m happy jumping from Art Pepper to Guatafán. None of it is a waste of time if it’s what I’m in the mood for.
The Ramones were a fresh slap in the face back in the day, and without them punk & new wave wouldn’t be what they are. In the meantime, other artists have built on the Ramones’ foundation. Similarly, Jimi Hendrix revolutionised how people used the electeic guitar as an instrument, but other artists ran with it to the point that his stuff is archaic (I can’t listen to Hendrix for the same reason K dismissed the Ramones, but to each their own).
I guess what I’m saying is that even if you personally don’t like an influential band, you have to acknowledge that they might be exactly what resonates with someone else. That’s why we have so much music in the world. To the original topic though, Ramones music does all sound the same. Why mess with perfection?
In the case of Ramones, it’s kinda especially ironic to talk about other music building and improving on their foundation, seeing as they specifically returned to simple, fast and fun approach of early rock-n-roll. The heyday of punk was remarkably short-lived, post-punk swooping in almost immediately, and new-wave shortly after that. Already by '78, the ‘no wave’ scene did another round by steering away from commercialization of new-wave! So indeed, Ramones are a document of this early era, but they also had their own particular approach to music, not quite captured by most other bands, as punk didn’t really have a groovy sound to it.
Traces of this can be seen in the fact that there’s almost no electronic music that feels like Ramones-style structures, but with electronic instruments: i.e. electronic rock-n-roll. I know of ‘Gabber Gabber Hey’ and Helen Love linked above, and perhaps also Sexy Sushi. This is despite the existence of plenty of electronic punk and post-punk.
Fun fact: since Ramones are pretty much rock-n-roll in punk, their songs actually work well reinterpreted back in rockabilly (it’s impossible to find actual rock-n-roll covers because of their two songs with this word in the titles).
Somehow I’m sure just from your comments that I wouldn’t consider most anything that you listen to ‘good’, and I’ve heard lots of musics in my life. And I certainly wouldn’t turn down good music just because it’s old or simpler than other music.
Krudler is coming at it like music is a zero sum game, which is silly. I love the Ramones. I also love more innovative, complex music, as well as plenty of vapid garbage. I’m happy jumping from Art Pepper to Guatafán. None of it is a waste of time if it’s what I’m in the mood for.
The Ramones were a fresh slap in the face back in the day, and without them punk & new wave wouldn’t be what they are. In the meantime, other artists have built on the Ramones’ foundation. Similarly, Jimi Hendrix revolutionised how people used the electeic guitar as an instrument, but other artists ran with it to the point that his stuff is archaic (I can’t listen to Hendrix for the same reason K dismissed the Ramones, but to each their own).
I guess what I’m saying is that even if you personally don’t like an influential band, you have to acknowledge that they might be exactly what resonates with someone else. That’s why we have so much music in the world. To the original topic though, Ramones music does all sound the same. Why mess with perfection?
In the case of Ramones, it’s kinda especially ironic to talk about other music building and improving on their foundation, seeing as they specifically returned to simple, fast and fun approach of early rock-n-roll. The heyday of punk was remarkably short-lived, post-punk swooping in almost immediately, and new-wave shortly after that. Already by '78, the ‘no wave’ scene did another round by steering away from commercialization of new-wave! So indeed, Ramones are a document of this early era, but they also had their own particular approach to music, not quite captured by most other bands, as punk didn’t really have a groovy sound to it.
Traces of this can be seen in the fact that there’s almost no electronic music that feels like Ramones-style structures, but with electronic instruments: i.e. electronic rock-n-roll. I know of ‘Gabber Gabber Hey’ and Helen Love linked above, and perhaps also Sexy Sushi. This is despite the existence of plenty of electronic punk and post-punk.
Fun fact: since Ramones are pretty much rock-n-roll in punk, their songs actually work well reinterpreted back in rockabilly (it’s impossible to find actual rock-n-roll covers because of their two songs with this word in the titles).