Toilet paper making is an ART! No other industry manages to create a half-ply so transparent that you can read your newspaper through it, while still delivering the tactile experience of an 80 grid industrial sandpaper.
Brother, just spend the few extra bucks and buy name brand, the extra money ain’t gonna kill ya. Meanwhile, the TP you seem to buy now might have you bleeding to death from your ass.
That’s not my toilet paper, but one I recently had to endure on a non-private toilet. I was just amazed that they can actually produce such a paper. I’m quite attached to my ass and it’s wellbeing, so sure I buy the better stuff for me and my family.
No wonder millennials can’t afford a house, with all the avocado toast and 10-ply toilet paper. /s
In my over 50 years, I’ve never eaten an avocado toast.
Every toilet paper related thread ever:
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Jokes about paper quality
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Americans describing their upgrade to a bidet like its the second enlightenment
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Europeans feeling superior that they’ve been using bidets for a couple hundred years
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The one random Asian trying to figure out where did humanity regress and perma downgrade from water to ass scratch material in the western world
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No explanation as to how water users seems to magically dry themselves without tp, heat or air, yet watching a new user come out looking like it rained in the bathroom
And on rare occasions:
- Westerners describing low pressure water cleaning with your hand like it will give you ebola, despite it being objectively more sanitary than toilet paper, and despite the fact that’s how bidets used to work
Why are you shitting on the tp aficionados?
Srsly tho how do they dry.
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It’s toilet paper, my biggest concern is price. Besides, I have bidet, I can make a pack of 8 last a year.
I wish they sold them by shits instead of by sheets. “This package is good for 100 regular shits or 50 creamy shits.”
This would be incredibly unreliable. I’d rather want the hard facts: how many sheets per roll and how many plies
Welcome to our newest technology, mini sheets! They are much softer and better for your anal health. Good luck guessing what size they are.
Given the information here, I believe that:
1 Giant Roll = 2.25+ Rolls = 2250+ Sheets
1 Double Roll = 2 Rolls = 2000 Sheets
1 Super Mega Roll = 6 Rolls = 6000 Sheets
1000 Sheets = 1 Roll = 0.5 Double Roll = 0.444 Giant Roll = 0.166 Super Mega Roll
1 Super Mega Roll = 2.666 Giant Roll = 3 Double Roll = 6 Roll = 6000 Sheets
I can take 6000 shits with one super mega roll?! WOW!
Yes , if you use exactly 1 square each time.
But someone so enterprising and smart like you probably uses both sides, so 12,000 shits per roll is on the table.
I use a bidet, btw.
Ok? You still need to dry yourself, don’t you?
Get a load of this guy, never used a bidet! /s
But seriously, there’s many ways to go about it. Some people don’t use anything, some use tp, some bidets blow air, some use a dedicated towel.
I’ve used a basic add-on version for a toilet, and I actually wiped first, but it evened out, because I didn’t want to get every last particle, just remove the bulk, because I was paranoid about sending bits flying. Of course it also depends on the, uh, consistency.
I used to run a bidet system, but then I found out about xylospongium:
It’s got slightly different architecture than bidet, and you have to manually compile some of the features that bidetinstall handles automatically, but you gain so much more control over your system. Never going back.
Just Roman things…
Well, shit…
Here in Czechia there are mandated price per unit, with tp it’s iirc price per meter
This is why they have this stupid math on the packaging.
Because if all you look at is price / meter the lowest quality is obviously going to be the cheapest.
If you get 2-ply or 3-ply, it’s 2-3 more sheets per meter and much softer. So more expensive per meter, but you can also use less since you can use 4 sheets instead of 8 and get the same softness/padding.
In Canada at the bottom of the package they will tell you the dimensions of the sheet and sheets per roll or length I can’t remember.
You still have to do math but the actual numbers are there for you to do it.
The real answer is just go to Costco and buy one of those giant packs with the massive sheets and don’t think too much about it.
Best part is when you go to different store and they got from per sheet to square foot or some nonsense.
I wanna know how many square cubits it is.
Is this unshittification?
That’s usually what I use my toilet paper for
I switched to Bamboo toilet paper. Renewable, saves old growth trees, and when bought in bulk online is as cheap as Walmart.
Almost all paper comes from byproducts if the lumber industry or recycled. Its the processes of papermaking that have huge impacts to the environment.
Data? The NRDC says otherwise. They do a report every year on virgin forest use in Canada. https://www.nrdc.org/resources/issue-tissue
For the record, it tracks recycling use, renewable fiber use, and bleaching. I think you’re minimizing the impact.
Paper Production and U.S. Forests Approximately 79 million tons of paper was produced in the U.S. in 2013. Recovered fiber accounts for 37% of the wood fiber used. Some of this fiber is lost in processing, with the result that about a third of the volume of paper and paperboard produced is made up of recovered fiber. The remaining two-‐thirds comes from trees harvested as pulpwood, wood chips, and other residues obtained from sawmill trimmings. On a mass basis, over 65 million tons of roundwood (dry basis), or 36% of the annual U.S. timber harvest, is used each year in manufacturing paper and paperboard. When chips and other residues are considered, the percent of harvest going to paper and paperboard production rises to about 47%. Typically, more than 65% of the nation’s pulpwood harvest is derived from the Southeastern region. In recent years, this percentage has risen to over 81%. Virtually all of that harvest is obtained from privately owned forestland. Individuals and families, private investment groups, and the forest industry own 57% of forestland in the United States. These lands provide 89% of the annual wood harvest (Oswalt et al. 2014). Annual removals of wood in the U.S. are less than half the annual increment. In other words, each year forests in the U.S. grow more than twice as much wood as is harvested. The annual harvest amounts to about 1.3% of total growing stock volume. Despite, and largely because of, ongoing removals that are only a portion of the forest’s annual growth, forests in the United States are increasing in extent. Also, the volume of trees contained within U.S forests is rising steadily. Today the U.S. has more forested land than in the early 1900s. Moreover, net growth has exceeded removals for at least 6 (and likely 7-‐8) consecutive decades.7 The result is the volume of wood stored in the nation’s forests has increased substantially over that period. Source
Noone is going to virgin forests to send logs straight to a paper mill unless they are too small for the saw mills (byproducts of clear cut logging). The logs are far more valuable as lumber. But the byproducts are chiped and sent to paper mills so nothing is wasted. Your source is completely missing that point and not directing the enegry to the real culprit. Logging in virgin forests is no doubt a problem, but noone is logging them exclusively for paper.
First, your just assuming that the only use for pulpwood is toilet paper. “Wasted” is figurative with the context above.
But more importantly, from your quote:
On a mass basis, over 65 million tons of roundwood (dry basis), or 36% of the annual U.S. timber harvest, is used each year in manufacturing paper and paperboard
36% is small trees that could still be in the ground. Sometimes this is from those surrounding old growth, but it is commonly from out-skirting areas or the way in, and could be avoided.
First, your just assuming that the only use for pulpwood is toilet paper. “Wasted” is figurative with the context above.
No… i assume its all paper produced by wood pulp.
36% is small trees that could still be in the ground. Sometimes this is from those surrounding old growth, but it is commonly from out-skirting areas or the way in, and could be avoided.
In managed tree plantation, one stratgey is to plant trees very densely so the planted trees smothers out any competition. Once they get about 15-20 years, the forest is thinned, producing tons of pulpwood. Leaving the rest to mature for lumber. Some managed forests are exclusively grown for pulpwood and clear cut every 20 years, but those are less common.
Environment wise, young trees consume more CO2 than old growth forests. The downside it creates large vast monoculture forests devoid of a diverse ecosystems.
So again, its not the problem of paper production… its the lumber industry and their unsustainable practices.
In managed tree plantation
Not old-growth. Irrelevant to the stats and report.
You are quite dense.
Yeah, TP is renewable by design, since it comes from trees. Being from a grass like bamboo doesn’t change that, and bamboo isn’t absorbent, so I’m very concerned about the process they’re using to produce something that’s supposed to be somewhat absorbent.
Bamboo is great for TP, and since the first NRDC report (mentioned in my other response which shows my comment has data behind it) shows the shift to using bamboo fibers in many major brands, too.
Personally, I find bamboo way better than recycled (and bamboo use vs tree use is perfectly sustainable, bamboo grows faster than it can be farmed). We find the brand we use comparable to Charmin “normal” paper (not the overly plush stuff). Happy to recommend a brand to try if asked, but don’t want to sound like a shill/advert. Plenty out there on a search 😉
Also, don’t negate a bidet.
Why not by weight?
They show the price per weight in Denmark.
1 Bidet = paper free for 2 to three years.
When I spray paint watercolor, I don’t just wipe my air brush. I wash it over and over in water until all paint is gone.
Although, no one washes canons between canon shots. They wipe the insides with an oily rag. So sure, there are things you wipe off with a dirty rag. So go ahead, keep wiping.
Laughs in Bidet with heated set, water, and air dryer. We don’t need no stinking toilet paper math…
As a bidet owner, that’s not fully true. I use significantly less toilet paper, but not zero.
Sometimes the dyer doesnt hit everything. Or I have to wipe the seat.
Have a basket of towelettes around. Good for dabbing last drops and seat wipes.
Has anyone ever tried to call Greg at 1-667-693-5420 ?
What happened?
