I’m pretty sure he is using ICE to trigger a violent response from the population so it “justifies” the use of the military against the population. To him, it hasn’t gone far enough because he hasn’t gotten that violent response yet.
This is what I really don’t understand. So the game plan is to use a violent response as an excuse to use a violent response?
At this point we’re looking at 10s of thousands if not 100s of people kidnapped, and we’re all doing nothing under this pretext. Is this message from the opposition?
The thing were all forgetting is that we don’t have to fight ice, we just have to fight billionaires and their security. The sooner we understand that, the sooner we can all sleep without worry
The game plan is to get a violent response from the proletariat to lock the country down into martial law, and rule by deadly force. He becomes king, and his billionaire donors get more money (especially from for-profit detention centers).
He continues to either bring up, or gets asked about, the Insurrection Act. Problem is, he doesn’t have a legitimate reason to use it yet. Sure, he could probably imvoke it now since he has lawful immunity, but the optics wouldn’t align, so he has to help stoke the fire.
The billionaires, meanwhile, have insulated themselves from wrongdoing by the grander populace, as they’ve benefitted from decades long propaganda about “earning” their wealth. Meanwhile having sufficient power to influence laws and regulations, while building their own “escape” plans (bunkers, foreign investments and properties, etc.). Not to mention, loyalist security forces, including the National Guard (a private donation paid their whole next paycheck).
It’s a catch-22. If people fight back, Trump & Co steam roll us with the military to quell “the violent left.” As people have remained relatively non-violent, the state keeps upping the ante in hopes that the people respond violently, which in turn “justifies” a violent course of action from the fed. They’re only really heavily antagonizing blue cities.
The purpose of all this is to extinguish opposition in order to transform the US into some bastardized rosey view of the 50s where the majority of people are white Christians, where men are in charge and women keep quiet, and that they can control the economy from on high to further enrich “the right people” while keeping the poors at bay. This is all entirely spelled out in Project 2025. They’re trying to throttle anyone not in 100℅ agreement with their view of the right America.
I reckon the only way to avoid violence and still fight back is with ruthless mockery. Make people laugh at how ridiculous and infantile everything Trump and his cronies do and say is. Bullies hate being laughed at. Look at how he reacted to Kimmel’s mostly mild mockery.
The most effective non-violent action we can take is to organize a General Strike.
The country would be brought to its knees if suddenly deprived of profit and labor. That tactic was extremely effective in Chile in 2019, and had they not fallen for the trick of liberal reform, they would’ve had a successful revolution on their hands with virtually no bloodshed.
If you aren’t in a union (or even if you are, it’s worth dual-carding), please consider joining the IWW to unionize your workplace (bonus: you’ll get higher wages, better benefits, and more time off if you succeed!) to strengthen a general strike if we manage to enact one, as most unions have a strike fund that can supplement your income during a general strike to make it more financially bearable (you should also save as much money as you can reasonably do, so it can also be used to keep yourself afloat during a strike).
And for our international friends, you should join one as well, as fascism is gaining momentum globally. If your country isn’t listed below, just contact the IWW directly in the link above.
Good point, well made. We can still mock then at the same time though.
Agreed!
The only difference between ICE and the SS / Gestapo is public executions. But I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s what Donny means.
What’s interesting is that they are bleeding supporters. Instead of the boiled frog, they’ve hit us with ice water. It got on everyone. Trump still needs to have supporters for him to be become king. He’s not there yet and he’s losing supporters and no kings seem to keep getting bigger.
Yeah because Trump would rather have everyone shot instead of arrested and thrown in concentration camps. He would prefer the courts allow him to just murder us, which is about to happen in 2026 if he gets his way.
Fucking Stephen Miller is definitely showing Trump’s dimentia addled brain AI videos of violence.
I’m no Trump supporter (fuck the fat orange pedophile), but you shouldn’t accuse someone of dementia when you can’t even spell the word yourself. (Trump absolutely does have it, though.)
You never know whether a stranger on the internet is dyslexic. It might be preferable to let a spelling error slide rather than attack someone for what might be a disability they can’t help. Plus there are plenty of people for whom English is not their first language. And then there are people who are just bad at spelling, but it doesn’t really matter.
If I had to make a choice between not having dementia and having perfect spelling, the spelling would have to fall by the wayside, despite the annoyance that I’d have to put up with from punctilious knobheads who mistake ability to spell for intelligence.
Nah, they want to fill their concentration camps so they have a source of slave labor. Killing immigrants while rounding them up defeats that purpose.
Now protestors, on the other hand, are a different story.
He’s slinging his gob with all the hubris of a man that thinks his neck cannot be chopped or roped.
Of course not, it hasn’t caused an armed uprising. He wants that, so that he can declare martial law.
What will be enough? A fixed quotas for street murders?
This regime sure is Fucking Around quite a bit huh, wonder what’s going to happen as a response?
Well SNAP just lapsed and Trump stated he would be slow to release anything from the emergency fund so whatever is going to happen, it’s likely happening soon
They better hope they have enough hard power for what they’re about to unleash because they really really do not want to find out what we would do to them if they lose
The names Mussolini and Gaddafi spring to mind, for no reason…
They want an uprising
So should we.
Not right now we shouldn’t. Right now, we lose. A lot can be done with a combination of passive resistance, the courts, and (yes) electoral politics. Meanwhile, a cultural backlash against the right is building fast. The fascists really are racing the clock to consolidate power, and it doesn’t look like they are gaining ground fast enough.
I do think there’s something to this. The big problem is that a bunch of people are being hurt right now while we wait for things to work out. We’ve been forced to do this the hard and slow way due to decades of dismantling of working class power in America.
Fascism can’t ever work. The only question is how much damage it does until it goes away.
I agree completely. I also won’t say there isn’t a worst case scenario where we end up looking a whole lot like Russia does right now for a good long time. I think it looks like we are dodging that path, but I don’t think we’ve made it yet.
Why isn’t ICE furloughed during the shutdown? This is all stupid. I hate it here.
Same reason the BBB funded them by over $10,000 per undocumented ‘target’, making one of the most well-funded armies in the entire world.
It’s not meant to operate as a deportation force, it is a paramilitary meant to serve the administration’s corrupt whim.
Same reason the BBB funded them […]
It took me a second to get past reading that as the Better Business Bureau, and I was wondering what the hell they had to do with any of this.
It’s not 100% out of the realm of possibility. They’re a terrible organization that exists mostly to protect businesses who do shit work.
